<div>If the council fails toreach consensus on an issue, the Ubuntu<br></div><div> > > Community Council acts as the final arbiter.<br></div><div> > Why not a general vote of the xubuntu-team? Or would you say the council mainly acts as a tie-breaker for the team votes? That is not to say that I think that the Ubuntu CC is not a good final last resort.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div><br></div><div>I have no reason to doubt that anyone here has anything but the highest motives here. To play the devil's advocate, I am sure everyone remembers a very contentious issue tearing the Debian Project to factions. I think a lesson can be learned from that unfortunate incident, and we should leave the final arbitration to be finalized by general consensus, and not by one small team that "could" be possibly biased. <br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div>odm<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 128, Issue 9<br></div><div>Local Time: May 15, 2016 10:48 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: May 16, 2016 4:48 AM<br></div><div>From: xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div>To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div><br></div><div>Send xubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> <br></div><div> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<br></div><div> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> <br></div><div> You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> <br></div><div> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div> than "Re: Contents of xubuntu-devel digest..."<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Today's Topics:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> 1. Re: [TEAM] Proposal for the Xubuntu Council (Simon Steinbeiss)<br></div><div> 2. Re: [TEAM] Proposal for the Xubuntu Council (Simon Steinbeiss)<br></div><div> 3. Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 128, Issue 8 (odm)<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Message: 1<br></div><div> Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 21:46:07 +0000<br></div><div> From: Simon Steinbeiss <simon@xfce.org><br></div><div> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><br></div><div> Subject: Re: [TEAM] Proposal for the Xubuntu Council<br></div><div> Message-ID:<br></div><div> <CAApLaz2b1RVOy8YNEymo6x=Hj+A29QmpnZURuB3jmqd+PKqN1w@mail.gmail.com><br></div><div> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Hi everyone,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> first of all thanks to Pasi and Kev to formulating and sharing the proposal.<br></div><div> My comments follow inline.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Cheers<br></div><div> Simon<br></div><div> <br></div><div> ------------------------------<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > Hello,<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > after a brief private discussion within the Xubuntu team, the team has<br></div><div> > decided to pursue setting up a Xubuntu Council instead of electing a new<br></div><div> > Xubuntu Project Lead.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > After this discussion, myself and Kev have been drafting a proposal for<br></div><div> > the council. Here it is in a nutshell.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > ==<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > WHAT IS THE XUBUNTU COUNCIL?<br></div><div> > ? The Xubuntu Council (later: council) will replace the Xubuntu Project<br></div><div> > Lead (later: XPL) position.<br></div><div> > ?A council term is2 years, always ending after an LTS release to allow<br></div><div> > long-term planning.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > COUNCIL MEMBERS<br></div><div> > ? The council will consist of 3 members.<br></div><div> > ? The members will be elected based on a CIVS [1] vote.<br></div><div> > ? Anybody who is a member of the Xubuntu team [2] or a *direct* member<br></div><div> > of any of the moderated subteams [3] can nominate themselves,or be<br></div><div> > nominated bysomeoneelse with the candidates agreement.<br></div><div> > ? Everybody who is member of the Xubuntu team [2] and/or a *direct*<br></div><div> > member of any of the moderated subteams [3] can vote.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Just to be sure, but *direct* is meant to exlcude indirect members<br></div><div> like other Ubuntu teams that are members of some of our teams (like<br></div><div> "Ubuntu Core Devs" as part of "Xubuntu Devs")?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > ? If a council member goes missing in action for 6 months, they should<br></div><div> > be replaced by a new vote.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> We sort of have that now even for team members, but so far we're not<br></div><div> executing this very thoroughly (I'd like to think that for my period<br></div><div> "in office" I tried to trigger these decisions with considerately). I<br></div><div> wonder whether the "should" is enough here and whether we'd like to<br></div><div> stick to the approach that I myself followed or whether we just want<br></div><div> to set an expiry date instead (which would shift the trigger from<br></div><div> being excluded to remaining included).<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> > ? If a new council member is elected mid-term, their term will still end<br></div><div> > after the next LTS release.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > COUNCIL CHAIR<br></div><div> > ? The council will decide on a chair whose term will last for the whole<br></div><div> > council term.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Wouldn't it alternatively make sense to give the council the freedom<br></div><div> to split the chair? So far one of the issues of finding an XPL was the<br></div><div> 2year commitment of a single person and this point goes a bit in that<br></div><div> direction. I'd rather have the council as an elected body for three<br></div><div> years and the council always has to have a chair/spokesperson, but who<br></div><div> that is is up to the council, not another general vote.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> > ? The chair will act as the official point of contact for Xubuntu.<br></div><div> > ?If the council chair wishes to relinquish chair, a new chair is chosen<br></div><div> > as members (see above).<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > OTHER BITS<br></div><div> > ? The council is expected to take action,or respondto any issue within 2<br></div><div> > weeks; if appropriate and fair, the first action can be postponement.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> How often can the council postpone and for how long? (Or do we expect<br></div><div> that it'll always be "within reason"?) Also, I'd add that<br></div><div> "postponement" has to be explicit, not implicit (by not re/acting).<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> > ? If the council fails toreach consensus on an issue, the Ubuntu<br></div><div> > Community Council acts as the final arbiter.<br></div><div> Why not a general vote of the xubuntu-team? Or would you say the<br></div><div> council mainly acts as a tie-breaker for the team votes? That is not<br></div><div> to say that I think that the Ubuntu CC is not a good final last<br></div><div> resort.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > [1] http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/<br></div><div> > [2] ~xubuntu-team on Launchpad<br></div><div> > [3] ~xubuntu-release, ~xubuntu-dev, ~xubuntu-art, ~xubuntu-website,<br></div><div> > ~xubuntu-qa, ~xubuntu-doc on Launchpad<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > ==<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Note that while the proposal only allows people in moderated teams to be<br></div><div> > nominated and vote, those moderated teams are open to anyone to join -<br></div><div> > via sustained contributions to the project.<br></div><div> Yes, and I think that is a "nice" (as in: "suitable" or "meaningful")<br></div><div> mix of open and moderated.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > As an example, the QA team (~xubuntu-qa) was set up for these kinds of<br></div><div> > social reasons; the team expects people from the testers team<br></div><div> > (~xubuntu-testers) to be approved to the QA team once they have shown<br></div><div> > sustained/substantial contributions enough.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > In the same spirit, we're discussing the possibility to set up other<br></div><div> > teams that have a similar social aspect.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > TEAM MEMBERS, please reply with comments on this proposal. I'm pretty<br></div><div> > sure this isn't the final version of what we want to vote on, so please<br></div><div> > do commenting rather sooner than later.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Once we've voted on (and hopefully approved) a certain direction, we<br></div><div> > still need to at least formulate that into a section of the Xubuntu<br></div><div> > Strategy Document and run it through the Ubuntu Community Council. All<br></div><div> > of the work items are in a Launchpad blueprint [4].<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Cheers,<br></div><div> > Pasi<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > [4] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-council<br></div><div> -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20160515/e9261fe3/attachment-0001.html><br></div><div> <br></div><div> ------------------------------<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Message: 2<br></div><div> Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 21:48:30 +0000<br></div><div> From: Simon Steinbeiss <simon@xfce.org><br></div><div> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><br></div><div> Subject: Re: [TEAM] Proposal for the Xubuntu Council<br></div><div> Message-ID:<br></div><div> <CAApLaz0CgPLz03tRJsotdqoJHk-UPAOaON+E63+2r9NUuQURzQ@mail.gmail.com><br></div><div> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Err, where I wrote "I'd rather have the council as an elected body for<br></div><div> three years" I obviously meant to write "two".<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Cheers<br></div><div> Simon<br></div><div> <br></div><div> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:46 PM Simon Steinbeiss <simon@xfce.org> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > Hi everyone,<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > first of all thanks to Pasi and Kev to formulating and sharing the<br></div><div> > proposal.<br></div><div> > My comments follow inline.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Cheers<br></div><div> > Simon<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > ------------------------------<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > Hello,<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > after a brief private discussion within the Xubuntu team, the team has<br></div><div> > > decided to pursue setting up a Xubuntu Council instead of electing a new<br></div><div> > > Xubuntu Project Lead.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > After this discussion, myself and Kev have been drafting a proposal for<br></div><div> > > the council. Here it is in a nutshell.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > ==<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > WHAT IS THE XUBUNTU COUNCIL?<br></div><div> > > ? The Xubuntu Council (later: council) will replace the Xubuntu Project<br></div><div> > > Lead (later: XPL) position.<br></div><div> > > ?A council term is2 years, always ending after an LTS release to allow<br></div><div> > > long-term planning.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > COUNCIL MEMBERS<br></div><div> > > ? The council will consist of 3 members.<br></div><div> > > ? The members will be elected based on a CIVS [1] vote.<br></div><div> > > ? Anybody who is a member of the Xubuntu team [2] or a *direct* member<br></div><div> > > of any of the moderated subteams [3] can nominate themselves,or be<br></div><div> > > nominated bysomeoneelse with the candidates agreement.<br></div><div> > > ? Everybody who is member of the Xubuntu team [2] and/or a *direct*<br></div><div> > > member of any of the moderated subteams [3] can vote.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Just to be sure, but *direct* is meant to exlcude indirect members like other Ubuntu teams that are members of some of our teams (like "Ubuntu Core Devs" as part of "Xubuntu Devs")?<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > ? If a council member goes missing in action for 6 months, they should<br></div><div> > > be replaced by a new vote.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > We sort of have that now even for team members, but so far we're not executing this very thoroughly (I'd like to think that for my period "in office" I tried to trigger these decisions with considerately). I wonder whether the "should" is enough here and whether we'd like to stick to the approach that I myself followed or whether we just want to set an expiry date instead (which would shift the trigger from being excluded to remaining included).<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > ? If a new council member is elected mid-term, their term will still end<br></div><div> > > after the next LTS release.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > COUNCIL CHAIR<br></div><div> > > ? The council will decide on a chair whose term will last for the whole<br></div><div> > > council term.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Wouldn't it alternatively make sense to give the council the freedom to split the chair? So far one of the issues of finding an XPL was the 2year commitment of a single person and this point goes a bit in that direction. I'd rather have the council as an elected body for three years and the council always has to have a chair/spokesperson, but who that is is up to the council, not another general vote.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > ? The chair will act as the official point of contact for Xubuntu.<br></div><div> > > ?If the council chair wishes to relinquish chair, a new chair is chosen<br></div><div> > > as members (see above).<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > OTHER BITS<br></div><div> > > ? The council is expected to take action,or respondto any issue within 2<br></div><div> > > weeks; if appropriate and fair, the first action can be postponement.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > How often can the council postpone and for how long? (Or do we expect that it'll always be "within reason"?) Also, I'd add that "postponement" has to be explicit, not implicit (by not re/acting).<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > ? If the council fails toreach consensus on an issue, the Ubuntu<br></div><div> > > Community Council acts as the final arbiter.<br></div><div> > Why not a general vote of the xubuntu-team? Or would you say the council mainly acts as a tie-breaker for the team votes? That is not to say that I think that the Ubuntu CC is not a good final last resort.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > [1] http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/<br></div><div> > > [2] ~xubuntu-team on Launchpad<br></div><div> > > [3] ~xubuntu-release, ~xubuntu-dev, ~xubuntu-art, ~xubuntu-website,<br></div><div> > > ~xubuntu-qa, ~xubuntu-doc on Launchpad<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > ==<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > Note that while the proposal only allows people in moderated teams to be<br></div><div> > > nominated and vote, those moderated teams are open to anyone to join -<br></div><div> > > via sustained contributions to the project.<br></div><div> > Yes, and I think that is a "nice" (as in: "suitable" or "meaningful") mix of open and moderated.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > As an example, the QA team (~xubuntu-qa) was set up for these kinds of<br></div><div> > > social reasons; the team expects people from the testers team<br></div><div> > > (~xubuntu-testers) to be approved to the QA team once they have shown<br></div><div> > > sustained/substantial contributions enough.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > In the same spirit, we're discussing the possibility to set up other<br></div><div> > > teams that have a similar social aspect.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > TEAM MEMBERS, please reply with comments on this proposal. I'm pretty<br></div><div> > > sure this isn't the final version of what we want to vote on, so please<br></div><div> > > do commenting rather sooner than later.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > Once we've voted on (and hopefully approved) a certain direction, we<br></div><div> > > still need to at least formulate that into a section of the Xubuntu<br></div><div> > > Strategy Document and run it through the Ubuntu Community Council. All<br></div><div> > > of the work items are in a Launchpad blueprint [4].<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > Cheers,<br></div><div> > > Pasi<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > > [4] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-council<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20160515/cc18429f/attachment-0001.html><br></div><div> <br></div><div> ------------------------------<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Message: 3<br></div><div> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 00:47:55 -0400<br></div><div> From: odm <odm@protonmail.ch><br></div><div> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> Subject: Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 128, Issue 8<br></div><div> Message-ID:<br></div><div> <br6-1z0O1K9UH4ap-Ahx64TS-Kjf-acQ909v-BBoA4CTQkdhER_6ETozCZAfEpvn39y3f5tcxC8f8eP_Sl9pww==@protonmail.ch><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Hi,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> - Possibly, everyone "actively" involved in the Xubuntu Project knows, why the "Xubuntu team" think it favorable to have a "Xubuntu Council", instead of a Xubuntu Project Lead. As an outsider, (by my choice by the way) I do not. I wonder if others have similar questions, as to why this action is thought to be an improvement too.<br></div><div> - Would anyone care to take the time to expound on the benefits of a Xubuntu Council over a Xubuntu Project Lead?<br></div><div> - In any event, I hope the best decisions for the governance of the Xubuntu Project is chosen. I hope all goes well and, the best path for all is forged.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Kind Regards!<br></div><div> <br></div><div> mikodo<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> -------- Original Message --------<br></div><div> Subject: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 128, Issue 8<br></div><div> Local Time: May 15, 2016 6:00 AM<br></div><div> UTC Time: May 15, 2016 12:00 PM<br></div><div> From: xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Send xubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> <br></div><div> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<br></div><div> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> <br></div><div> You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> <br></div><div> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div> than "Re: Contents of xubuntu-devel digest..."<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Today's Topics:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> 1. [TEAM] Proposal for the Xubuntu Council (Pasi Lallinaho)<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Message: 1<br></div><div> Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 01:58:12 +0300<br></div><div> From: Pasi Lallinaho <pasi@shimmerproject.org><br></div><div> To: Xubuntu Developer <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><br></div><div> Subject: [TEAM] Proposal for the Xubuntu Council<br></div><div> Message-ID: <5737AD84.30304@shimmerproject.org><br></div><div> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Hello,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> after a brief private discussion within the Xubuntu team, the team has<br></div><div> decided to pursue setting up a Xubuntu Council instead of electing a new<br></div><div> Xubuntu Project Lead.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> After this discussion, myself and Kev have been drafting a proposal for<br></div><div> the council. Here it is in a nutshell.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> ==<br></div><div> <br></div><div> WHAT IS THE XUBUNTU COUNCIL?<br></div><div> ? The Xubuntu Council (later: council) will replace the Xubuntu Project<br></div><div> Lead (later: XPL) position.<br></div><div> ?A council term is2 years, always ending after an LTS release to allow<br></div><div> long-term planning.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> COUNCIL MEMBERS<br></div><div> ? The council will consist of 3 members.<br></div><div> ? The members will be elected based on a CIVS [1] vote.<br></div><div> ? Anybody who is a member of the Xubuntu team [2] or a *direct* member<br></div><div> of any of the moderated subteams [3] can nominate themselves,or be<br></div><div> nominated bysomeoneelse with the candidates agreement.<br></div><div> ? Everybody who is member of the Xubuntu team [2] and/or a *direct*<br></div><div> member of any of the moderated subteams [3] can vote.<br></div><div> ? If a council member goes missing in action for 6 months, they should<br></div><div> be replaced by a new vote.<br></div><div> ? If a new council member is elected mid-term, their term will still end<br></div><div> after the next LTS release.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> COUNCIL CHAIR<br></div><div> ? The council will decide on a chair whose term will last for the whole<br></div><div> council term.<br></div><div> ? The chair will act as the official point of contact for Xubuntu.<br></div><div> ?If the council chair wishes to relinquish chair, a new chair is chosen<br></div><div> as members (see above).<br></div><div> <br></div><div> OTHER BITS<br></div><div> ? The council is expected to take action,or respondto any issue within 2<br></div><div> weeks; if appropriate and fair, the first action can be postponement.<br></div><div> ? If the council fails toreach consensus on an issue, the Ubuntu<br></div><div> Community Council acts as the final arbiter.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> [1] http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/<br></div><div> [2] ~xubuntu-team on Launchpad<br></div><div> [3] ~xubuntu-release, ~xubuntu-dev, ~xubuntu-art, ~xubuntu-website,<br></div><div> ~xubuntu-qa, ~xubuntu-doc on Launchpad<br></div><div> <br></div><div> ==<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Note that while the proposal only allows people in moderated teams to be<br></div><div> nominated and vote, those moderated teams are open to anyone to join -<br></div><div> via sustained contributions to the project.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> As an example, the QA team (~xubuntu-qa) was set up for these kinds of<br></div><div> social reasons; the team expects people from the testers team<br></div><div> (~xubuntu-testers) to be approved to the QA team once they have shown<br></div><div> sustained/substantial contributions enough.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> In the same spirit, we're discussing the possibility to set up other<br></div><div> teams that have a similar social aspect.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> TEAM MEMBERS, please reply with comments on this proposal. I'm pretty<br></div><div> sure this isn't the final version of what we want to vote on, so please<br></div><div> do commenting rather sooner than later.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Once we've voted on (and hopefully approved) a certain direction, we<br></div><div> still need to at least formulate that into a section of the Xubuntu<br></div><div> Strategy Document and run it through the Ubuntu Community Council. All<br></div><div> of the work items are in a Launchpad blueprint [4].<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Cheers,<br></div><div> Pasi<br></div><div> <br></div><div> [4] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-council<br></div><div> <br></div><div> --<br></div><div> Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ? http://open.knome.fi/<br></div><div> Leader of the Shimmer Project ? http://shimmerproject.org/<br></div><div> Ubuntu member, Xubuntu Website lead ? http://xubuntu.org/<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> ------------------------------<br></div><div> <br></div><div> --<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel mailing list<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> End of xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 128, Issue 8<br></div><div> *********************************************<br></div><div> -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20160516/c0079d6c/attachment.html><br></div><div> <br></div><div> ------------------------------<br></div><div> <br></div><div> -- <br></div><div> xubuntu-devel mailing list<br></div><div> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<br></div><div> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> End of xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 128, Issue 9<br></div><div> *********************************************<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>