<div dir="ltr">be able to work on any platform CD-ROM should work even 650 mb.küçük light most beautiful xubuntu <div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-11 16:53 GMT+02:00 abdullah demir <<a href="mailto:abdullahdemir.of77@gmail.com" target="_blank">abdullahdemir.of77@gmail.com</a>>: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think it should remain a swan iso mold should not exceed 1GB </div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-11 16:40 GMT+02:00 <<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send xubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of xubuntu-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [TEAM] ISO target size (Pasi Lallinaho) 2. Re: [TEAM] ISO target size (PK) 3. Re: [TEAM] ISO target size (Pasi Lallinaho) 4. Re: [TEAM] ISO target size (Micah Gersten) 5. Re: [TEAM] ISO target size (A Blesius) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:52:56 +0200 From: Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>> To: Xubuntu Developer <<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: [TEAM] ISO target size Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:54DB5EB8.2040701@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank">54DB5EB8.2040701@shimmerproject.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, in the last community meeting we had some discussion about the target size for our ISO. Since many of the team weren't attending, we wanted to bring the discussion in the mailing list. PLEASE NOTE that this is not a idea/proposal thread for ideas on filling the ISO with $software. People who send software suggestions to this thread have the risk of being added to the manual moderation list. Thank you. After we couldn't fit into a CD any more, our target has been 1GB. The argument for that target size was that it was the next usual hardware limit (eg. there aren't many 900MB USB sticks). This discussion is current since we are talking about potentially including LibreOffice; if that happens, we will definitely go over 1GB and there isn't anything we can drop to get back below. My suggestion on the meeting was that if we go over 1GB, our new target should be "below or as close to 1GB as possible, but 2GB at maximum". What do you others think? Cheers, Pasi -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ? <a href="http://open.knome.fi/" target="_blank">http://open.knome.fi/</a> Leader of the Shimmer Project ? <a href="http://shimmerproject.org/" target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a> Ubuntu member, Xubuntu Website lead ? <a href="http://xubuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:13:20 +0100 From: PK <<a href="mailto:pliniusminor@gmail.com" target="_blank">pliniusminor@gmail.com</a>> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [TEAM] ISO target size Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:CAELqJG5upr88CDjbmHXcpCUjwkzyvkMCn%2BwhfZRMQAKqO6T78Q@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAELqJG5upr88CDjbmHXcpCUjwkzyvkMCn+whfZRMQAKqO6T78Q@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In my opinion it's only desirable to stay somewhat below 2 GB (with a margin of 100 - 200 MB). So that all 2 GB USB thumb drives are fit for Xubuntu, with a few MB's to spare for persistent space for documents and such. As far as I'm concerned, there's no need to strive for "below or as close as possible to 1 GB" as well. With only "somewhat below 2 GB" as requirement, the Xubuntu developers will get more freedom to add bigger packages if they wish. Which might benefit the market share of Xubuntu in the long run. I'm not a dev, just a translator for Xfce (upstream) and for (X)ubuntu, so I'm eager to get some technical feedback on this view from the devs. :-) Regards, Pjotr. 2015-02-11 14:52 GMT+01:00 Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>>: > Hello, > > in the last community meeting we had some discussion about the target > size for our ISO. Since many of the team weren't attending, we wanted to > bring the discussion in the mailing list. > > > PLEASE NOTE that this is not a idea/proposal thread for ideas on filling > the ISO with $software. People who send software suggestions to this > thread have the risk of being added to the manual moderation list. Thank > you. > > > After we couldn't fit into a CD any more, our target has been 1GB. The > argument for that target size was that it was the next usual hardware > limit (eg. there aren't many 900MB USB sticks). > > This discussion is current since we are talking about potentially > including LibreOffice; if that happens, we will definitely go over 1GB > and there isn't anything we can drop to get back below. > > My suggestion on the meeting was that if we go over 1GB, our new target > should be "below or as close to 1GB as possible, but 2GB at maximum". > > What do you others think? > > Cheers, > Pasi > > -- > Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ? <a href="http://open.knome.fi/" target="_blank">http://open.knome.fi/</a> > Leader of the Shimmer Project ? <a href="http://shimmerproject.org/" target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a> > Ubuntu member, Xubuntu Website lead ? <a href="http://xubuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/</a> > > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, if something is considered essential, then it can be added, but the starting point should be to not include anything that isn't essential. Cheers, Pasi On 11/02/15 16:13, PK wrote: > In my opinion it's only desirable to stay somewhat below 2 GB (with a > margin of 100 - 200 MB). So that all 2 GB USB thumb drives are fit for > Xubuntu, with a few MB's to spare for persistent space for documents > and such. > > As far as I'm concerned, there's no need to strive for "below or as > close as possible to 1 GB" as well. > > With only "somewhat below 2 GB" as requirement, the Xubuntu developers > will get more freedom to add bigger packages if they wish. Which might > benefit the market share of Xubuntu in the long run. > > I'm not a dev, just a translator for Xfce (upstream) and for > (X)ubuntu, so I'm eager to get some technical feedback on this view > from the devs. :-) > > Regards, Pjotr. > > 2015-02-11 14:52 GMT+01:00 Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>>>: > > Hello, > > in the last community meeting we had some discussion about the target > size for our ISO. Since many of the team weren't attending, we > wanted to > bring the discussion in the mailing list. > > > PLEASE NOTE that this is not a idea/proposal thread for ideas on > filling > the ISO with $software. People who send software suggestions to this > thread have the risk of being added to the manual moderation list. > Thank > you. > > > After we couldn't fit into a CD any more, our target has been 1GB. The > argument for that target size was that it was the next usual hardware > limit (eg. there aren't many 900MB USB sticks). > > This discussion is current since we are talking about potentially > including LibreOffice; if that happens, we will definitely go over 1GB > and there isn't anything we can drop to get back below. > > My suggestion on the meeting was that if we go over 1GB, our new > target > should be "below or as close to 1GB as possible, but 2GB at maximum". > > What do you others think? > > Cheers, > Pasi > > -- > Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ? <a href="http://open.knome.fi/" target="_blank">http://open.knome.fi/</a> > Leader of the Shimmer Project ? <a href="http://shimmerproject.org/" target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a> > Ubuntu member, Xubuntu Website lead ? <a href="http://xubuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/</a> > > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> > > > > -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ? <a href="http://open.knome.fi/" target="_blank">http://open.knome.fi/</a> Leader of the Shimmer Project ? <a href="http://shimmerproject.org/" target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a> Ubuntu member, Xubuntu Website lead ? <a href="http://xubuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/</a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20150211/87f8c93a/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20150211/87f8c93a/attachment-0001.html</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:35:04 -0600 From: Micah Gersten <<a href="mailto:micahg@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">micahg@ubuntu.com</a>> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [TEAM] ISO target size Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:C1AD8A85-6AF8-4976-8673-D8FF5F8A4B11@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">C1AD8A85-6AF8-4976-8673-D8FF5F8A4B11@ubuntu.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On February 11, 2015 7:52:56 AM CST, Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>> wrote: >Hello, > >in the last community meeting we had some discussion about the target >size for our ISO. Since many of the team weren't attending, we wanted >to >bring the discussion in the mailing list. > > >PLEASE NOTE that this is not a idea/proposal thread for ideas on >filling >the ISO with $software. People who send software suggestions to this >thread have the risk of being added to the manual moderation list. >Thank >you. > > >After we couldn't fit into a CD any more, our target has been 1GB. The >argument for that target size was that it was the next usual hardware >limit (eg. there aren't many 900MB USB sticks). > >This discussion is current since we are talking about potentially >including LibreOffice; if that happens, we will definitely go over 1GB >and there isn't anything we can drop to get back below. > >My suggestion on the meeting was that if we go over 1GB, our new target >should be "below or as close to 1GB as possible, but 2GB at maximum". > >What do you others think? > >Cheers, >Pasi > >-- >Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ? <a href="http://open.knome.fi/" target="_blank">http://open.knome.fi/</a> >Leader of the Shimmer Project ? <a href="http://shimmerproject.org/" target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a> >Ubuntu member, Xubuntu Website lead ? <a href="http://xubuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/</a> > > >-- >xubuntu-devel mailing list ><a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> ><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> I would suggest a one click install or something similar for LibreOffice amd stick with 1GB. Alternatively, if there are enough testers, produce a version of Xubuntu with LibreOffice (maybe called XubuntuOffice :)). With the prevalence of Google Docs and Office 365, is there a need for most people to have LibreOffice installed locally? Thanks, Micah -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:40:14 +0100 From: A Blesius <<a href="mailto:onkel-pflaume@web.de" target="_blank">onkel-pflaume@web.de</a>> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [TEAM] ISO target size Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:54DB69CE.2080909@web.de" target="_blank">54DB69CE.2080909@web.de</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't see why we should unnecessarily increase the ISO size. LO is in the repos, so why bother shipping it directly? If we decide to move on to <2 GB now, then we'll decide for <4 GB some time later. It will begin to grow from release to release, and at some time Xubuntu will no longer be a low-resources distro, which is one reason why I'm using it. Greetings, Alex Ich verschl?ssele meine Emails mit GnuPG. Erfahren Sie mehr hier: <a href="https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/de/index.html" target="_blank">https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/de/index.html</a> Am 11.02.2015 um 14:52 schrieb Pasi Lallinaho: > Hello, > > in the last community meeting we had some discussion about the > target size for our ISO. Since many of the team weren't attending, > we wanted to bring the discussion in the mailing list. > > > PLEASE NOTE that this is not a idea/proposal thread for ideas on > filling the ISO with $software. People who send software > suggestions to this thread have the risk of being added to the > manual moderation list. 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