As we only ship two games, and both are small, I don't see much of a gain by removing gnome-mines or gnome-sudoku. I feel that including games in the default installation makes Xubuntu feel more human-oriented (not quite as dry as others have mentioned). The argument exists that users can install whichever games they want at any time... but simple games like Mines and Sudoku are meant to be quick diversions as opposed to time sinks like some of the larger titles.<div><br></div><div>As they function for me, I fire them up while waiting for other things to happen (like an installation to finish). No extra packages to install, no extra work to be done. Click the menu, open the game, play, and continue as I was before. Others may use these games to the same effect.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Size-wise, the games seem to only be a few MB (this is not the definitive measure by any means)...</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ sudo apt-get autoremove gnome-mines gnome-sudoku </div><div>Reading package lists... Done</div><div>Building dependency tree </div><div>Reading state information... Done</div><div>The following packages will be REMOVED:</div><div> gnome-mines gnome-sudoku</div><div>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.</div><div>After this operation, 3,285 kB disk space will be freed.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div>- Sean</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu Jan 29 2015 at 8:51:59 AM Toni Sissala <<a href="mailto:toni.sissala@gmail.com" target="_blank">toni.sissala@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div>On 29.1.2015 14:48, Elfy wrote:<br>
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<div>The installation packages of most of these games take
even less space on the iso, than an average wallpaper.....<br>
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For instance: in Xubuntu 14.04, the installation package
of AisleRiot Solitaire is only half a megabyte: 585 kB, to
be exact. And the installation package of Minesweeper
(gnome-mines) is only one third of a megabyte: 298 kB.<br>
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What problem does removing them solve? :-)<br>
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If there isn't a problem with having these games installed by
default, then what is there to gain by not having them installed by
default?<br>
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You asked for comments on your first post. It would be helpful to
know why this discussion has started and what is there to gain by
having them / not having them installed by default.<br>
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According to PK the games only take about a megabyte of space on the
iso. So far, I haven't figured out the purpose of not shipping these
two games by default, other than obviously saving space on the iso
or saving resources when packaging.<br>
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On the topic:<br>
I would like to see 2-4 games installed by default. These games
should be the most generic ones: minesweeper, solitaire... There
could also be a hyperlink pointing to games-category in Software
Center included in the games-folder in Whisker-menu. Small games are
a great way for a beginner to start their adventures on Linux! They
are also pretty well presented in Software Center, so installing
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> Discussion started on the subject of
removing games from the install at<br>
> the last meeting, taking this to the list
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adding games - the question is whether to remove<br>
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<div>And... why would we remove the couple games?</div>
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