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    What is the premium for the games? I don't know off the top of my
    head how much space they take up, but the VM install of Xubuntu
    14.04 I'm looking at right now only came with Mines and Sudoku, I
    can't imagine those are much larger than a few MBs. That's a very
    small impact on the size of the ISO and is such a cheap feature that
    adds the appearance of a lot of value to new users, or people who
    feel intimidated by the OS. If I were in a situation where I was not
    familiar with computer systems at all, and somebody switched me to
    Xubuntu, the very first thing I would be doing was trying to find
    something I was familiar with, in order to connect on some level
    with it. Simple games give an easy outlet to beginners to learn how
    to navigate. Relying on browser games is similar to pushing people
    to escape what Linux is providing them, rather than learning to feel
    comfortable with it.<br>
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    I'm for keeping the games.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/28/2015 8:43 AM, Ince, Wilbur
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                  <div>Games DO take space on the ISO, which is a
                    premium.  So removing them should be a
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                  Advanced users will not miss them, because they will
                  install their own anyway.  <br>
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                NEW users are the prize target here. Not including them
                makes the distro seem cheap and flimsy as was pointed
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              Is there a way to include them in the install script so
              they could choose and download them as part of install?<br>
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            Is there a way to add Install links to the Games menu so
            they could download them after the build is complete? <br>
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          The idea is take them out, but include something so folks can
          find and install them easily.  <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Lutz
          Andersohn <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <p dir="ltr">Agreed, we don't need games I think.<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2015, at 2:09 AM,
                Jackson Doak <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <p dir="ltr">I think having some default games is
                    important, but we don't need more that minesweeper +
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 28 Jan 2015 18:55, "Elfy"
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