<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><div>-1</div><div>Agreed on the mailing list being not busy, as long as a thread can be locked to team members only that would be handy.</div><div> </div><div>- Lderan <div>> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:40:48 +0300 > From: pasi@shimmerproject.org > To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [TEAM] Mailinglist setup > > On 2014-05-16 19:18, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote: > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiß <simon@xfce.org> wrote: > >> Hi Xubuntu team members, > >> > >> we started voting on Pasi's mailinglist-proposal (previously circulated on this list [1]) in today's community meeting [2]. So far, we haven't had enough votes for the motion to be carried or rejected, hence I'm asking you to vote here on the mailinglist. (As the topic isn't very controversial, I hope everyone is ok with public voting. If not, feel free to email me.) > >> > >> Just reply with +1, 0 or -1 to this thread - you can obviously also explain why you voted one or the other way. > >> So far, we have 6 votes for the proposal and 0 against (and 0 abstained). > > -1 > > > > I don't see this devel list as actually *that* busy or that we get out > > of hand with off-topic/flamey topics that often. Plus, it's sad when I > > get a message from a list telling me my messages has been moderated > > and I don't like discouraging folks from participating. > > > > Also not thrilled with the idea of being a judge of what's "important" > > enough to let through, I tend to think it's nice that folks can use > > this list to give feedback on default apps or correspond with us here > > about bugs they find if they're having trouble using the tracker or > > launchpad. It helps us get a pulse from our users about what they find > > valuable enough to bring to the attention of developers, otherwise > > they just whinge on social media and in blogs and we don't have a > > great mechanism for collecting that data spread all over the place. > > I understand and empathize these comments to a certain degree. > > I do agree that the list itself isn't very high traffic, however, the > amount of offtopic messages in percent is, as I see it, too high. This > only doesn't take my (and others') time from contributing, it also > distracts me from ontopic messages. > > The possibility that people get discouraged from participating is the > single biggest negative side of the moderating I'm suggesting. While the > moderating will bring some exclusivity in any case, we can help make the > first impression better by improving the "your mail is pending" email. > Ultimately, all ontopic messages should get through with no problems, > and with a good field record, people should get their moderation flag > dropped. > > I guess I see the moderating in a slightly different way than you do. I > don't really conceive it as deciding what is "important", just what is > ontopic. Of course the decision is not always easy, but in that case, > you should probably approve the mail. Only obviously offtopic messages > should be declined. > > All that being said, and having made the proposal, I'm open for other > options as well, as long as they enable us to cut down the percentage of > the offtopic messages. > > Finally, the moderation I'm proposing does not have to be permanent. The > #xfce-dev IRC channel was moderated for some time because of the amount > of noise. They have since dropped the moderation, but the situation is > clearly better now. If a temporary moderation period helps us get the > results we want, it would obviously be the best solution. > > Cheers, > Pasi > > -- > Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ť http://open.knome.fi/ > Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu ť http://shimmerproject.org/ > Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member ť http://xubuntu.org/ > > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel </div></div> </div></body> </html>