<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Hello.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm new to Xubunto and would like to get involved. How can I assist?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Regards,<div><br></div><div>M.H.Miller</div><div><br></div><div></div><br><br><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Pasi Lallinaho <pasi@shimmerproject.org> </div><div>Date:05/19/2014 16:34 (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [TEAM] Mailinglist setup </div><div><br></div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">For what it's worth, I don't think there is an easy/ideal way to set up moderation in a way that only lets certain members post with a certain tag. The bottom line is that if everybody can post, they can post everything.<br> <br> However, it might be possible to filter everything with a certain keyword (and I don't even know how using those technically work), but then again we can at most send *all* of those posts to the moderation queue, which means some moderation overhead and potential dragging of those threads. Ultimately this doesn't stop anybody to post a reply to such a thread without the keyword.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Pasi<br> <br> On 19/05/14 19:30, Thomas Molloy wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:DUB130-W275704F2A5F4DF0906695ACC320@phx.gbl" type="cite"> <style></style> <div dir="ltr"> <div>-1</div> <div>Agreed on the mailing list being not busy, as long as a thread can be locked to team members only that would be handy.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>- Lderan<br> <br> <div>> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:40:48 +0300<br> > From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a><br> > To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > Subject: Re: [TEAM] Mailinglist setup<br> > <br> > On 2014-05-16 19:18, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:<br> > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiß <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simon@xfce.org"><simon@xfce.org></a> wrote:<br> > >> Hi Xubuntu team members,<br> > >><br> > >> we started voting on Pasi's mailinglist-proposal (previously circulated on this list [1]) in today's community meeting [2]. So far, we haven't had enough votes for the motion to be carried or rejected, hence I'm asking you to vote here on the mailinglist. (As the topic isn't very controversial, I hope everyone is ok with public voting. If not, feel free to email me.)<br> > >><br> > >> Just reply with +1, 0 or -1 to this thread - you can obviously also explain why you voted one or the other way.<br> > >> So far, we have 6 votes for the proposal and 0 against (and 0 abstained).<br> > > -1<br> > ><br> > > I don't see this devel list as actually *that* busy or that we get out<br> > > of hand with off-topic/flamey topics that often. Plus, it's sad when I<br> > > get a message from a list telling me my messages has been moderated<br> > > and I don't like discouraging folks from participating.<br> > ><br> > > Also not thrilled with the idea of being a judge of what's "important"<br> > > enough to let through, I tend to think it's nice that folks can use<br> > > this list to give feedback on default apps or correspond with us here<br> > > about bugs they find if they're having trouble using the tracker or<br> > > launchpad. It helps us get a pulse from our users about what they find<br> > > valuable enough to bring to the attention of developers, otherwise<br> > > they just whinge on social media and in blogs and we don't have a<br> > > great mechanism for collecting that data spread all over the place.<br> > <br> > I understand and empathize these comments to a certain degree.<br> > <br> > I do agree that the list itself isn't very high traffic, however, the <br> > amount of offtopic messages in percent is, as I see it, too high. This <br> > only doesn't take my (and others') time from contributing, it also <br> > distracts me from ontopic messages.<br> > <br> > The possibility that people get discouraged from participating is the <br> > single biggest negative side of the moderating I'm suggesting. While the <br> > moderating will bring some exclusivity in any case, we can help make the <br> > first impression better by improving the "your mail is pending" email. <br> > Ultimately, all ontopic messages should get through with no problems, <br> > and with a good field record, people should get their moderation flag <br> > dropped.<br> > <br> > I guess I see the moderating in a slightly different way than you do. I <br> > don't really conceive it as deciding what is "important", just what is <br> > ontopic. Of course the decision is not always easy, but in that case, <br> > you should probably approve the mail. Only obviously offtopic messages <br> > should be declined.<br> > <br> > All that being said, and having made the proposal, I'm open for other <br> > options as well, as long as they enable us to cut down the percentage of <br> > the offtopic messages.<br> > <br> > Finally, the moderation I'm proposing does not have to be permanent. The <br> > #xfce-dev IRC channel was moderated for some time because of the amount <br> > of noise. They have since dropped the moderation, but the situation is <br> > clearly better now. If a temporary moderation period helps us get the <br> > results we want, it would obviously be the best solution.<br> > <br> > Cheers,<br> > Pasi<br> > <br> > -- <br> > Pasi Lallinaho (knome) » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://open.knome.fi/">http://open.knome.fi/</a><br> > Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://shimmerproject.org/">http://shimmerproject.org/</a><br> > Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://xubuntu.org/">http://xubuntu.org/</a><br> > <br> > <br> > -- <br> > xubuntu-devel mailing list<br> > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br> </div> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> </blockquote> <br> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://open.knome.fi/">http://open.knome.fi/</a> Leader of the Shimmer Project » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://shimmerproject.org/">http://shimmerproject.org/</a> Ubuntu member, Xubuntu team member » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://xubuntu.org/">http://xubuntu.org/</a></pre> </body>