<HTML><HEAD> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY class=hmmessage dir=ltr> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <DIV>Roland,</DIV> <DIV>Isnt LibreOffice more compatible with M$Word than OpenOffice?</DIV> <DIV>Anyhow its probly too big to put on the Xubuntu Install Disk.</DIV> <DIV>Is there a way to put links to recommended programs on the Xubuntu installation?</DIV> <DIV>Or a link to a page on the Xubuntu website or wiki?</DIV> <DIV>There are thousands in the Software Centre, which is confusing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We have a list at:</DIV> <DIV><A title=http://www.hlug.org.uk/software-links/ href="http://www.hlug.org.uk/software-links/">http://www.hlug.org.uk/software-links/</A></DIV> <DIV>Recommendations for additions and amendments welcome</DIV> <DIV>to me <A href="mailto:dicegeorge@hotmail.com">dicegeorge@hotmail.com</A></DIV> <DIV>thanks</DIV> <DIV>[george]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=donrolando@hotmail.com href="mailto:donrolando@hotmail.com">Roland Smith</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 24 March, 2014 19:09</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 102, Issue 30</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV dir=ltr>i really like open office!!!!!<BR><BR><B>Roland Smith Jr.</B><BR><A href="http://randomlee.com" target=_blank>randomLEE.com</A><BR><A href="http://templemask.com" target=_blank>templemask.com</A><BR><A href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54454221/__websiteSphere/index.html" target=_blank>Spherical Aerospace Fuselage</A><FONT color=#ff0000><BR><A href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54454221/__webSiteQueensChess/index.html" target=_blank>Queens Chess TM</A><BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff0000><BR><BR></FONT><BR><BR><BR> <DIV>> From: xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> Subject: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 102, Issue 30<BR>> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:53:47 +0000<BR>> <BR>> Send xubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to<BR>> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of xubuntu-devel digest..."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>> <BR>> 1. Re: Default apps discussion - this was Re: Trusty QA quick<BR>> recap and look forwardHi, (Jimmy Sj?lund)<BR>> 2. Re: Default apps discussion - this was Re: Trusty QA quick<BR>> recap and look forwardHi, (Chris Lucas)<BR>> 3. Re: Default apps discussion - this was Re: Trusty QA quick<BR>> recap and look forwardHi, (Lutz Andersohn)<BR>> 4. Trusty user-testing status on 5 machines (Richard Elkins)<BR>> 5. Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 102, Issue 29 (Adam Eveleigh)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:00:41 +0100<BR>> From: Jimmy Sj?lund <jimmy@sjolund.se><BR>> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><BR>> Subject: Re: Default apps discussion - this was Re: Trusty QA quick<BR>> recap and look forwardHi,<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <CAG=t37eFXSe=z4GvQqWvaxLJx6RAAFsZP5uZONj6mQ0Zx_kVnw@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Joel Carlson <snugar109@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > I wouldn't move the panel at all. That is one part of Xubuntu that makes<BR>> > it unique. Instead I would just add some text in the installer to tell them<BR>> > it can be customized and moved to their liking. I usually show ms people<BR>> > the ease of which it can be moved and leave it at that.<BR>> ><BR>> I agree. The first thing I do when working on a Windows system is to move<BR>> the panel to the top.<BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20140324/6e551cd8/attachment-0001.html><BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 2<BR>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:58:29 -0400<BR>> From: Chris Lucas <cdlucas4@gmail.com><BR>> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><BR>> Subject: Re: Default apps discussion - this was Re: Trusty QA quick<BR>> recap and look forwardHi,<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <CA+KFGLGMxyn1sGR2K7vck3tESL1XnBzac95GzmguR-+-7FoLww@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> While I agree with the value in attracting WinXP refugees, my opinion is<BR>> that release decisions (default apps, styling decisions, etc.) shouldn't be<BR>> made based on what "might" make them more comfortable. I feel Xunbuntu<BR>> should stay Xunbuntu and continue to make decisions in that spirit and<BR>> mindset. I feel that if the focus is purely on creating the best version<BR>> of Xubuntu, people will either like and use it, or move on to something<BR>> else.<BR>> <BR>> Let Zorin OS worry about being a Windows clone. Let Elementary OS worry<BR>> about feeling Mac-esque. It's an entirely different topic, and my own<BR>> estimates, but most Windows users are more likely to migrate to a pirate<BR>> copy of Win7 than anything.<BR>> <BR>> I would hate to see Xubuntu release a distro that gets so tied up in trying<BR>> to attract new users that it becomes something less than it should be.<BR>> <BR>> Keep the bar on top. Decide on default apps using the same methodology<BR>> that had worked so far. Don't pander to WinXP users. Those are my votes.<BR>> <BR>> Thanks<BR>> <BR>> Chris<BR>> On Mar 24, 2014 9:02 AM, "Jimmy Sj?lund" <jimmy@sjolund.se> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Joel Carlson <snugar109@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> I wouldn't move the panel at all. That is one part of Xubuntu that makes<BR>> >> it unique. Instead I would just add some text in the installer to tell them<BR>> >> it can be customized and moved to their liking. I usually show ms people<BR>> >> the ease of which it can be moved and leave it at that.<BR>> >><BR>> > I agree. The first thing I do when working on a Windows system is to move<BR>> > the panel to the top.<BR>> ><BR>> > --<BR>> > xubuntu-devel mailing list<BR>> > xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20140324/aa742026/attachment-0001.html><BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 3<BR>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:58:25 -0500<BR>> From: Lutz Andersohn <landersohn@gmail.com><BR>> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><BR>> Subject: Re: Default apps discussion - this was Re: Trusty QA quick<BR>> recap and look forwardHi,<BR>> Message-ID: <53304811.2020509@gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR>> <BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20140324/c642edd4/attachment-0001.html><BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 4<BR>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:43:31 -0500<BR>> From: Richard Elkins <richard.elkins@gmail.com><BR>> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><BR>> Subject: Trusty user-testing status on 5 machines<BR>> Message-ID: <533060B3.5020500@gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> For my fairly heavy software development/testing, LibreOffice<BR>> word-processing / spreadsheets / presentation, and music applications, I<BR>> cannot break Xubuntu 14.04 on my testing machine. On my production<BR>> machine (just updated to 14.04) and for the other 3 desktop users that I<BR>> guided through the piece-of-cake 14.04 installation, the 100% consensus<BR>> is that Trusty is ready for launch _now_.<BR>> <BR>> IMO, this is the best *buntu infrastructure and XFCE ever. I do realize<BR>> that there has been a marked quality evolution (up!) since at least<BR>> 12.04. Other BSD and GNU/Linux distros are reporting similar<BR>> observations. <BR>> <BR>> The various Linux kernel teams are to be complimented for finding the<BR>> optimal balance between innovation and caution, given the wide spectrum<BR>> of hardware that they have to deal with.<BR>> <BR>> Cheers,<BR>> <BR>> Richard<BR>> <BR>> P.S. Yes, I did write off the Intel D2550MUD2 motherboard as a lesson<BR>> learned (research Linux and BSD feedback before buying!).<BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20140324/e0d6be46/attachment-0001.html><BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 5<BR>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:53:41 +0000<BR>> From: Adam Eveleigh <adam1eveleigh@gmail.com><BR>> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> Subject: Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 102, Issue 29<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <CAPmLs=qZ-0JKmgm1h8tV42SYMyNTZYpPLYh9NCcspHn_eR6txw@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> Also Paul, Linux Mint is the distribution that takes 4 customizable<BR>> desktops including Xfce and forces them into the Windows desktop metaphor -<BR>> Ubuntu tends to just take the upstream. It's slightly less friendly to<BR>> Windows users but as an ex-Windows user myself - I think it's a good thing.<BR>> <BR>> The Windows desktop metaphor is horribly outdated, the mouse travel<BR>> required to close an app and open a new one is the biggest distance<BR>> possible (top-right to bottom-left) even though it is one of the most<BR>> commonly done tasks with the desktop environment.<BR>> <BR>> Unity does a great job of changing this and reducing mouse travel where<BR>> possible while still being good to look at and user-friendly - Xfce's<BR>> default positioning also helps people to get out of the 'everything must be<BR>> like Windows' mindset.<BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20140324/4b2ef001/attachment.html><BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> xubuntu-devel mailing list<BR>> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> End of xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 102, Issue 30<BR>> **********************************************<BR></DIV></DIV> <P> <HR> -- <BR>xubuntu-devel mailing list<BR>xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<BR>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>