<div dir="ltr"><div>Totally incorrect. There's no deviation from the Ubuntu software base at all.<br><br>Proof: if you've installed Ubuntu 12.04 before the point releases, and you've installed all the updates until now, you still have the 3.2.x-kernel as well. Just like Xubuntu 12.04. <br>
<br>No higher kernel; that only happens in Ubuntu 12.04 when you do a clean install of Ubuntu 12.04.4.<br><br></div>Regards, Pjotr.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-02-15 18:42 GMT+01:00 Michael Fischer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fischerfm@yahoo.de" target="_blank">fischerfm@yahoo.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<p>Constructive:</p>
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<p>keep the promises of the release notes</p>
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<p>be part of the Ubuntu community or leave the Ubuntu
software base - be clear</p>
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<p>want to go after the XP base - know the base and their
desires and needs, before assuming things. Have hard facts.<br>
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<p>I'd appreciate if members here do not get defensive when bugs
(in the docs or the kernel versions) are communicated. And
having Xubuntu 12.04.4 LTS with kernel version 3.2.0 is by all
standards a bug. Proof: there is no information in the docs
about leaving the Ubuntu 12.04.4 software base with an outdated
kernel version.<br>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>FMF</p><div><div class="h5">
On 15.02.2014 18:02, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:<br>
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<div>Richard, while your analysis and
experiences might be interesting for some, please discuss it
further in the users mailing list, where discussion on
non-development issues are welcome.<br>
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Michael, please reconsider your attitude. If you can't bring
anything to the discussion except snarky and/or unconstructive
comments, please do not post to this list.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Pasi<br>
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<div>I had no success to find any hard
market numbers on the XP->Xubuntu migration on non-PAE
platforms so far. It seems clear, however, that the Xubuntu
image resulting from the 12.04.4 cheat is most likely: A Very
Good Computing Enviroment for Written-off Hardware. There is a
market for that. An interesting one? I doubt.<br>
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FMF<br>
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USA Notes .....<br>
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People who survey and keep track of statistics are reporting
that home XP users have been and still are taking the easy
technological route of upgrading to 7, either legally or
illegally. I doubt if many home Windows users are thinking
about GNU/Linux at all. Resistance to change and expense is
at play.<br>
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Hardly anyone realizes that their Android phones are running a
Linux kernel. This is similar to the fact that MacOS and iOS
users do not realize that their machines are running an
offshoot of BSD Unix. People just look at the eye candy and
believe that this is the "system".<br>
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Commercial use is a different story. Many businesses are
buying new or converting to Linux. Faster, more secure, and
not more expensive than Windows. IBM and Redhat have
benefited hugely from this continuing trend. The commercial
desktops, however, are upgraded from XP to 7 "enterprise
edition". Corporate America is locked into Microsoft Office
and Exchange for the foreseeable future.<br>
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Ask anyone on the street in America "what is Linux" and you'll
usually get a blank look. I often have trouble in social
situations explaining what I do.<br>
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For Linux and BSD Unix users and fans, there is still a tall
mountain to climb, especially in communications.<br>
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Richard the pessimist (sometimes)<br>
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