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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">If there is enough interest and
      motivation from the community (including people who can actually
      help with the SRU), it can be discussed. As Jackson, I don't
      personally think it as a realistic thing to do at the moment
      either.<br>
      <br>
      Pasi<br>
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      On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone
        backporting it all the way to precise</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto
          J Dohnert <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:robertdohnert@gmail.com" target="_blank">robertdohnert@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Aside from the trusty
              enablment stack, the only other compelling piece would be
              XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun
              intended, release date.  Releasing the trusty kernel
              through updates would be optimal.  Of course, we, the
              Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 for two years
              past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019.  So, we
              may do a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may
              work on that for Xubuntu as well.  But that will be
              determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time.<br>
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              Roberto J. Dohnert<br>
              Lead Developer<br>
              Black Lab Linux<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.blacklablinux.org" target="_blank">http://www.blacklablinux.org</a><br>
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              <div>On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:<br>
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                <div>If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can
                  just release 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have
                  landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other hand, if
                  there is something we want in, it's another
                  possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates.<br>
                  <br>
                  I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu
                  support for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any
                  difference to land big SRU's now, since people need to
                  upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway.<br>
                  <br>
                  Cheers,<br>
                  Pasi<br>
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                  On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote:<br>
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                  <div>FYI</div>
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                  <div>How does this align with our planning?</div>
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                  <div>Stephen Michael Kellat </div>
                  <div>In the basement cafeteria on lunch<br>
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                    Begin forwarded message:<br>
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                    <div><b>From:</b> Leann Ogasawara <<a
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                        href="mailto:leann.ogasawara@canonical.com"
                        target="_blank">leann.ogasawara@canonical.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Date:</b> February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com"
                        target="_blank">ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com</a>,
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com"
                        target="_blank">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> <b>[RFC] 12.04.5</b><br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hi All,
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                        <div>With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted
                          to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point
                          release for Precise.</div>
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                        <div>As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point
                          releases have shipped with a newer kernel and
                          X stack by default for hardware enablement
                          purposes.  Maintainers of these enablement
                          stacks have agreed to support these until a
                          Trusty based enablement stack is supported in
                          Precise.  Once a Trusty enablement stack is
                          supported, all previous enablement stacks
                          would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final
                          Trusty based enablement stack which would
                          continue to be supported for the remaining
                          life of Precise.</div>
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                        <div>Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point
                          release for Precise.  12.04.4 shipped with a
                          Saucy enablement stack by default.  This Saucy
                          enablement stack in Precise will eventually
                          EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack.
                           Once that happens, our final point release
                          for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd
                          enablement stack.  This seems unfortunate and
                          inappropriate.  I would like to propose having
                          a 5th point release for Precise which would
                          deliver the Trusty enablement stack for
                          Precise.</div>
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                        </div>
                        <div>Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add
                          no additional maintenance burden upon teams
                          supporting enablement stacks in Precise.  It
                          would require some extra effort on part of the
                          Canonical Foundations Team as well as the
                          Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional
                          set of images and testing coordination etc.
                           However, I informally discussed this with a
                          few members of each of those teams and the
                          tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a
                          reasonable request which could be
                          accommodated.  Collectively we could find no
                          compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5.  We
                          also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should
                          be optional for the Flavors to participate in.
                           Additionally, we would want to purposely
                          avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release
                          dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1
                          first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD).</div>
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                        <div>What are other's thoughts here?  Does
                          anyone have a compelling reason for not
                          providing a 12.04.5 point release?</div>
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                        <div>Thanks,</div>
                        <div>Leann</div>
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Pasi Lallinaho (knome)                      » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://open.knome.fi/">http://open.knome.fi/</a>
Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu       » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://shimmerproject.org/">http://shimmerproject.org/</a>
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