<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>There's always Linux Mint Xfce of course, which does have LibreOffice by default and also the nice modern Whisker menu....<br><br></div>But I'd like to see Xubuntu provide a better "out of the box" experience as well. It's unwise to underestimate the importance of first impressions. Adding LibreOffice to the iso, would definitely improve the first impression of a novice user. Abiword is nice, and even has some ability to deal with .doc and .docx, but it's simply not comparable to LibreOffice. It's not in the same league.<br>
<br></div>Lastly, just for the record: although I'm not active in development for Xubuntu, that doesn't mean that I'm just a "free rider" who drops casual remarks and does nothing: I'm the main (in fact: only) upstream Dutch translator of both Xfce and LXDE (which are 100 % translated into Dutch) and have done this since 2011. I'm also a member of the Dutch Ubuntu translators team and I've provided the Dutch translations for Abiword, too.<br>
<br></div><div>In these respects I've been doing (and still am doing) a lot of work which benefits Xubuntu as well. I repeat: this is not meant to boast or something, but simply to highlight the fact that although I'm no Xubuntu developer, indirectly I do work for Xubuntu as well....<br>
</div><div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Pjotr.<br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014/1/8 Lutz Andersohn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:landersohn@gmail.com" target="_blank">landersohn@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div>My 2 cts:<br>
I understand lightness, which is why I like Xubuntu. Having said
that, in order to get more users on Xubuntu (or all Ubuntu flavors
for that matter) I think we need to take into account that a lot
of computer work involves interoperability with other
people/computers. For example my kid's school sends announcements
often in DOCX file format.<br>
So, I think interoperability is really important and as such I
think we need to embrace it. Abiword has no way of reading DOC or
DOCX (neither has gnumeric for XLS or XLSX) so it is unsuitable in
many cases. I really do not understand how one can use Xubuntu in
a normal daily life interacting with people who don't have a
strong philosophy about open software or open file formats without
LibreOffice.<br>
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On 01/08/2014 05:37 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:<br>
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<div>Including LibreOffice in the Xubuntu
seed has been discussed numeours of times and the team has
always decided to include it. At the moment we're preparing an
LTS release with many more things to do, which are also much
more important to do than prepare and execute LibreOffice
integration.<br>
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From my point of view, including LibreOffice on the ISO for
optional installation is really close to just installing it, and
I don't know why we would like to do the latter. On the other
hand, being installable is really close to what we have now: the
whole suite is in the repositories for installation already.<br>
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All that being said, LibreOffice won't be in Xubuntu 14.04, even
as an installation option.<br>
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What's the situation after the LTS release? I don't know. If you
really think it's a better fit for Xubuntu, start preparing a
specification that covers questions about suitability,
lightness, etc. The Strategy Document has a full and pretty
thorough section about seeds and composition [1]. More
importantly, be ready to *do* something, not expect others to do
it for you: the team hasn't been interested enough now to
integrate LibreOffice, so it is highly likely that even if you
got the team convinced Xubuntu should have LibreOffice, you
probably still need to work, or get somebody to work on it.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Pasi<br>
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[1] <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Seeds_.26_Composition" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Seeds_.26_Composition</a><br>
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<div>LibreOffice in Xubuntu seems a good idea to me. The
only disadvantage I can think of, is that the iso probably
won't fit on a 1 GB USB memory stick anymore. <br>
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But 1 GB memory sticks have gone the way of the dinosaurs a
long time ago, so that's no real problem, I think. Heck, I
myself probably can't even find the 1 GB stick that I still
have somewhere.... :-)<br>
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Regards, Pjotr.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014/1/8 Jackson Doak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noskcaj@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">noskcaj@ubuntu.com</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">We're discussing changing to libreoffice,
since abiword is generally rather unstable. You could
use a custom ISO maker to replace the parts manually.</div>
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<div> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM,
Joel Ewing <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:physicsshark3@gmail.com" target="_blank">physicsshark3@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Hello,<br>
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I am wondering if including an option to
install LibreOffice during the Xubuntu
installation (in place of or alongside
Abiword and Gnumeric) could be
considered for an upcoming release of
Xubuntu.<br>
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Recently, I was part of a group to decide
what Linux distribution should be chosen
to run on a fleet of old laptops that were
owned by a school. I suggested Xubuntu,
but my suggestion was ignored partly
because Xubuntu does not come with
LibreOffice. Although Abiword and
Gnumeric are great at what they do, many
users seem to gravitate towards
LibreOffice because it is more
fully-featured. I would appreciate if the
developers could look into this matter.<br>
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