<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I also felt this was a real issue. Between this and a number of other annoying bugs - like race condition booting from SSD, new users may end up quite disappointed. Hopefully the LTS will have a much higher quality.<br><br>- George</div><div><br>On Dec 5, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Richard Elkins <<a href="mailto:richard.elkins@gmail.com">richard.elkins@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>
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The issues with bug #1208204 are these:<br>
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(1) The complaints began in July. As of 70 milliseconds ago, this
bug is not assigned to anyone, with a status of "Undecided", and
still marked as "New" to Ubuntu Studio.<br>
(2) See Peter Flynn's earlier mail. Well-articulated IMO.<br>
(3) If the indicator-sound package is re-released without a fix to
#1208204 (and this has happened at least once), then you have to
apply the patch again. Maybe again and again. And so on.<br>
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In message #69 of the bug report, there is an attachment is an
automated patch for XFCE users which obviates the need to manually
edit the file each time indicator-sound is rolled out without a fix
to this issue. It does take care that it is being used by an XFCE
user. However, it's still a work-around. A lesser of evils.<br>
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Some other solutions for non-tech users seeking a light-weight
desktop:<br>
(1) Go back to Xubuntu 13.04. Read reviews before attempting an
upgrade.<br>
(2) Replace Xubuntu with Lubuntu/LXDE.<br>
(3) Replace Xubuntu with Mint/MATE.<br>
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In any of them, users must take care to backup their data somewhere
safe before doing a new ground-up installation. All of them are
disruptive and personal time-wasters. <br>
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Richard<br>
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Pjtor, I am not a programmer, but I see a huge problem with
your "very easy" fix, you see, xubuntu shares most and
almost all their setting from mainbuntu, so the file
/usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-sound.service belongs
to all the *buntu multiverse, changing its content would
have affected all the flavours and then break the ubuntu's
panels. Xubuntu would have needed an "special"
indicator-sound.service and all the programs that call the
service would have to be tuned to use this, as far as i
understand. <br>
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Now I readily admit that I'm no developer and I can't
fabricate an update package that does this, but *it
looks* dead simple to do, in my layman's eyes. And it
*would* be a big Public Relations bonus for Xubuntu
13.10.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">It
is one of the recommended solutions, to be applied by
xubuntu users manually, again we can not ship a modified
file because it would break the rest of the flavours.<br>
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I agree that this was not a nice thing to happen, and
that maybe some silly workaround (like simply adding a
panel launcher to pavucontrol as default, or adding a
standalone sound applet) might have been preferrable,
but at the moment no one of us though about this.<br>
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I can not speak for the rest of xubuntu but I feel a bit
ashamed that we let this go through so far as it did.<br>
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