<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>This is an old computer that I had rotting in a corner, so using it to help testing and improving Xubuntu is a pleasure. I must thank to all the team behind this great system.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Reducing the amount of RAM that the graphics takes is possible. I will update my test this weekend. Gonna reduce the shared ram and will try booting the live cd with the "only ubiquity"
option, which I guess, should require a less memory than the full live session.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>In the meanwhile, I have tested in virtual box with 256mb of ram, 1 core processor and booted the Ubiquity session without problems. The system installs and boots ok, just a little slow.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>This different results between testing with a real machine vs a virtual one, has lead me to believe that Virtualbox should not be an accurate reference in the hardware requirements of the system. Running Virtualbox in a host with DDR3 memory, and a i7 processor; even reducing the resources of the virtual machine, will be much faster than a real system with DIMM memory and 1 core processor at 1.6 with a 133 bus.</span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday,
November 28, 2013 11:52 AM, Will Partridge <willp789@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5964667714"><div>
Do you think you could go into BIOS and change the amount of RAM the
graphics is gobbling down to 4-8MB?<br clear="none">
Maybe the old BIOS won't support this feature, try it anyway... It
may help with your issue.<br clear="none">
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Will<br clear="none">
<div class="yiv5964667714yqt7770486934" id="yiv5964667714yqt13505"><div class="yiv5964667714moz-cite-prefix">On 28/11/2013 12:45, Inti Alonso wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><span>Im testing in a desktop with an AMD Duron 1.6, 256mb
of ram (minus 64 from integrated SIS graphics).</span></div>
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for ever, I waited for 30 min and the live sesion never
showed. I guess 256mn of ram is not the minimun for the live
cd. </span></div>
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and install without problems, run a little slow but is
tolerable.</span></div>
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the Alternate images, at least for the i386 architechture,
which I guess, are the slowest system that may need Xubuntu.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday,
November 28, 2013 4:03 AM, Pasi Lallinaho
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5964667714moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org"><pasi@shimmerproject.org></a> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv5964667714y_msg_container">On 28/11/13 09:28, Elizabeth
Krumbach Joseph wrote:<br clear="none">
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Richard Elkins<br clear="none">
> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:richard.elkins@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richard.elkins@gmail.com">richard.elkins@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>> Will,<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Not to discourage you .....<br clear="none">
> Uh oh, no response, I fear we may have scared him
off :)<br clear="none">
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>> Performance test plan?<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Goals/design<br clear="none">
>> Individual tests<br clear="none">
>> What do you intend to hold constant and what
will you vary?<br clear="none">
>> VM host machine environment E.g. hardware
CPU/GPU/chip-sets, Linux kernel<br clear="none">
>> video module, X-Windows video driver<br clear="none">
>> VM settings to be used (chipset, EFI, display,
etc.)<br clear="none">
> These are very good points so in an attempt to move
this along...<br clear="none">
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> I'll start off by saying that we do now recommend a
user have 512M of<br clear="none">
> RAM once it's installed, which might be OK.<br clear="none">
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> Also worthy of note, we offer 32 and 64-bit
versions. 64-bit tends to<br clear="none">
> take more RAM so we'll want to pay attention to
that.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Now, I'd like to propose the following testing plan
that it would be<br clear="none">
> great to see results from a few folks for to test a
random smattering<br clear="none">
> of CPUs and other factors:<br clear="none">
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> Test 1: 12.04 Alternate CD, 32 & 64-bit<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Our website claims you can install 12.04 Alternate
on 64M of RAM, I'm<br clear="none">
> skeptical but we should start here :)<br clear="none">
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> Use the 12.04 Alternate CD installer on a VM with
64M of RAM and a<br clear="none">
> single CPU - I suspect the installer will finish
but will it even<br clear="none">
> boot?<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> If not, add RAM by increments of 64M of RAM until
you get a system<br clear="none">
> that boots and you can log in to.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Report results (remember, we say 512M once it's
installed, so if it's<br clear="none">
> slow that might be ok)<br clear="none">
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> Test 2: 12.04 Live CD, 32 & 64-bit<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Our website claims you can install 12.04 standard
on 256M of RAM, this<br clear="none">
> may be possible - let's try! Same methodology as
above.<br clear="none">
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> Test 3: 13.10 Live CD, 32 & 64-bit<br clear="none">
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> Did 12.04 work on 256M? Can 13.10 as well? Let's
try! Same methodology as above.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> These tests will take time, so if you want to just
do one of these<br clear="none">
> tests - great, reply with your results of that one
test and enjoy your<br clear="none">
> week! Every test done will be helpful in
determining where we stand.<br clear="none">
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> Thanks everyone.<br clear="none">
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Ultimately we might want to see what the requirements
for the installed<br clear="none">
"core" system would be once we progress with that.<br clear="none">
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Cheers,<br clear="none">
Pasi<br clear="none">
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