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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">hallo,<br>
<br>
I have got the same problem with a ibm t40 (1024 mb ram).<br>
<br>
yours peter<br>
<br>
Am 29.07.2013 10:48, schrieb Joan Advincula:<br>
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<div>By the way, I think we also need to clarify the CPU type
and whatnot. (There are still lots of things about CPU's
that I don't understand.)<br>
<br>
I tried installing 13.04 on an old IBM ThinkPad and it
wouldn't install because the CPU is missing something,
apparently. (It runs on and Intel Pentium M 1600 MHz.)<br>
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Something about <span style="font-family:courier
new,monospace">pae</span>. I'm still Googling that part
though so this might be irrelevant.<br>
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- Joan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM, PK <span
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href="mailto:pliniusminor@gmail.com" target="_blank">pliniusminor@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>I agree with Ali Linx, that 512 MB RAM should be
considered as a workable minimum for Xubuntu. If it
gets lower than that, Lubuntu or even mini's like
AntiX or Puppy Linux are much more suitable.<br>
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In my opinion, the minimal system requirements should
be aimed at a practical and workable system, not at a
theoretical minimum that will, at best, cause an
unbearably slow and sluggish system. Underpromise and
overdeliver, that's what makes people happy.... Not
the other way round. :-)<br>
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I have no figures to back my statement, but I do have
the experience of seven years of fulltime Linux use on
many computers.<br>
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Regards, Pjotr.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Could you have actually opened the
System Monitor to see how much ram and how much
swap was being used at the time, or did I miss
something? I just wouldn't like to assume that
it is going over etc based on overall
performance, when it's easy to see how much is
being used in real time and from what apps.<br>
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<div>On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Ali
Linx (amjjawad) <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at
8:59 AM, Micah Gersten <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:micahg@ubuntu.com"
target="_blank">micahg@ubuntu.com</a>></span>
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<div>On 07/16/2013
11:33 PM, Ali Linx
(amjjawad) wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div><br>
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<div><b><u>Information:</u></b></div>
<div>- Xubuntu
12.04.1.ISO</div>
<div>- LiveUSB
Created by
UNetbootin</div>
<div>-
Installation on
Real Hardware - <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://phillw.net/hardware/BnA9pw11"
target="_blank">http://phillw.net/hardware/BnA9pw11</a></div>
<div>- RAM Used:
242MB - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg</a></div>
<div>
<div>- Note
that: LiveUSB
is faster than
LiveCD</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>Test
Case:</u></b></div>
<div>
<ol>
<li>Machine
has two HDD1
and HDD2<br>
</li>
<li>HDD1 is
Samsung 20GB
IDE (Lubuntu
13.10 Saucy is
installed on
the whole
HDD).<br>
</li>
<li>HHD2 is
Segate 80GB
IDE<br>
</li>
<li>Booting
the machine
from the
LiveUSB<br>
</li>
<li>Choosing
"Try Xubuntu
without
installation"<br>
</li>
<li>Booted
successfully
to the Live
Desktop<br>
</li>
<li><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg</a><br>
</li>
<li> The Live
Desktop was
slow and I had
to wait few
seconds until
Right Click
> Menu
shows up.<br>
</li>
<li>Ran
GParted to
turn SWAP OFF.<br>
</li>
<li>Once SWAP
is OFF, the
machine became
VERY SLOW. If
I press CAPS
Lock, the LED
on the
Keyboards
needs few mins
to be ON.<br>
</li>
<li>Obviously,
because
Physical RAM
was already
being used
(FULLY) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg</a>
- then once
SWAP is OFF,
definitely the
whole machine
will stop
responding and
this is very
easy to
re-produce
(I'm expert to
make old
machine not
usable and not
responding).<br>
</li>
<li>Clicked on
"Install
Xubuntu" from
the Desktop</li>
<li>I waited
for 30 mins
and the
machine is
totally not
responding and
the mouse
pointer is
stuck on the
circle icon
(when the
system is
processing
something, the
pointer turns
to be a circle
- I'm sure you
know what I
mean).</li>
<li>I had to
reboot the
machine.</li>
<li>Repeated
the same above
steps - same
result</li>
<li>Even
though the
Live Desktop
did not crash
after 30mins
of waiting,
the whole
system/machine
is not usable
and not
responding so
whether it
crashes or
not, same -
you can not do
anything and
you must
reboot.</li>
</ol>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div><b><u>Summary:</u></b></div>
<div>Having all
the above said,
long story
short, there is
<b><u>NO WAY</u></b>
to 'Try' Xubuntu
on 256MB of RAM
nor 'Installing'
it with 256MB of
RAM. Again, see
this: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg</a><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>Suggestion:</u></b></div>
<div>I think by
far, it is very
much safe to say
that the <b><u>Minimum
RAM</u></b>
required to Try
Xubuntu and/or
Install it is
512MB AT LEAST.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>Please
Note:</u></b></div>
<div>You need to
understand that
having a
pre-exist SWAP
Partition is NOT
the
default/standard
case for all
users. Users may
have only one
HDD. User may
have not
installer
another Linux
System on a
different or
same HDD so they
do have SWAP.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, please
note that it is
NOT advisable to
ask from a new
user to create a
SWAP Partition
just to install
Xubuntu on LESS
than 512MB RAM.
This is not
helpful at all,
IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Having that
said, in order
to do a real
test with a
worse case
scenario, you
need to follow
the steps I have
done to get the
same results
(SWAP OFF).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><i>By the way
... if zRAM
was enabled by
default, I'm
sure the
results would
be different -
just saying </i>:)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>What
Next?</u></b></div>
<div>On the same
machine, I am
going to
increase the RAM
used by system
by entering BIOS
and: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will set it
to 64MB so the
RAM that will be
used by the
system will be
432MB RAM. I
know what you
are thinking.
There is 16MB
any Linux OS I
have tried on
that machine can
not read/detect
that is why the
usable RAM by
the system is
432MB not 448MB.
Yes, I will turn
SWAP OFF as
well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ok, I have
tried that and I
did not work.</div>
<div><br>
I had to set the
RAM to 464MB so
that I can
install Xubuntu
12.04 from the
LiveUSB while
I'm on the Live
Desktop (Try
Xubuntu without
installation
> Live
Desktop).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>and ...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Installation
is successful -
Time:13mins </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>After
Installation
Xubuntu 12.04</u></b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is what
I did after the
installation:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<ol>
<li>sudo nano
/etc/fstab</li>
<li>Removed
SWAP entry</li>
<li>Saved</li>
<li>Rebooted</li>
<li>sudo
apt-get
install
zram-config</li>
<li><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg" target="_blank">http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg</a><br>
</li>
</ol>
<div>I'm
currently
upgrading my
system:</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>sudo apt-get
upgrade
&& sudo
apt-get
dist-upgrade </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, Xubuntu
12.04
installation has
NO Physical SWAP
Partition. </div>
<div>The SWAP that
you see here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg"
target="_blank">http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg</a></div>
<div>This is from
zram-config</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRam" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRam</a><br>
</div>
<div><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>End of
Test Report 1</b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for
reading!</div>
<div><br>
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<font face="trebuchet ms,
sans-serif">I don't
think that anyone says
to run Xubuntu with
256MB RAM with no swap
partition. </font></div>
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</div>
<div>I have volunteered to do this
test because the Minimum System
Requirement on the Website is
not correct IMHO and as Lyz
said, no one has done such test
for a long time so I guess it is
good to have some data regarding
this.</div>
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<div text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font
face="trebuchet ms,
sans-serif">Creating a
swap partition is a part
of the standard install
IIRC. </font></div>
<span
style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">Also, this
can be a swap file and does
not need to be a separate
disk (though I don't know if
the installer handles this
properly or not).</span></blockquote>
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<div>NO one said swap should NOT
be created. You misunderstood
the whole point.</div>
<div>SWAP partition will be
created 'during' the
installation process NOT
'before' it :) hope it is clear
now and I guess my report is
very much detailed unless I
missed something that need
further explanation.</div>
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<div text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font
face="trebuchet ms,
sans-serif"> Having said
that, I don't have an
issue saying that the
minimum to run Xubuntu is
512MB at this point. </font></div>
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<div>Good. Because saying on the
website 256MB is not correct :)</div>
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<div text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font
face="trebuchet ms,
sans-serif">Even at 512MB,
swap will be needed, but I
don't think that's a
problem.<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Micah<br>
</font></span></font> </div>
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<div>For me to disable swap and
edit fstab is an extreme move to
test how far I could go with my
installation. That was an added
step, ignore it please if this
will cause any confusion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Summary: Because I have
previous installed Linux with
SWAP Partition, I had to disable
it 'before' installing Xubuntu.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Xubuntu Installer will create
SWAP Partition DURING the
installation process NOT before
it ... unless of course ...
someone will create his/her
partitions 'before' the
installation using GParted and
choose 'Something Else' from
this step: <a
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target="_blank">http://i40.tinypic.com/14jx9h4.jpg</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, this is not the
standard approach. New Users
will not create their partitions
'before' the installation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Definitely, having a swap
partition created 'before'
installing Xubuntu will help, no
doubt about it but this is not a
general case. Only those who are
experienced enough can do it.
When you mention on the official
website a minimum system
requirement, you need to keep
the very new users in mind :)</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thank you for your feedback!</div>
<div>and you are welcome :)</div>
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