<div dir="ltr"><div><div>By the way, I think we also need to clarify the CPU type and whatnot. (There are still lots of things about CPU's that I don't understand.)<br><br>I tried installing 13.04 on an old IBM ThinkPad and it wouldn't install because the CPU is missing something, apparently. (It runs on and Intel Pentium M 1600 MHz.)<br>
<br></div>Something about <span style="font-family:courier new,monospace">pae</span>. I'm still Googling that part though so this might be irrelevant.<br><br></div>- Joan<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM, PK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pliniusminor@gmail.com" target="_blank">pliniusminor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I agree with Ali Linx, that 512 MB RAM should be considered as a workable minimum for Xubuntu. If it gets lower than that, Lubuntu or even mini's like AntiX or Puppy Linux are much more suitable.<br>
<br></div>In my opinion, the minimal system requirements should be aimed at a practical and workable system, not at a theoretical minimum that will, at best, cause an unbearably slow and sluggish system. Underpromise and overdeliver, that's what makes people happy.... Not the other way round. :-)<br>
<br></div>I have no figures to back my statement, but I do have the experience of seven years of fulltime Linux use on many computers.<br><br></div>Regards, Pjotr.<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
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2013/7/23 Jeff Hanson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jephhanson@gmail.com" target="_blank">jephhanson@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Could you have actually opened the System Monitor to see how much ram and how much swap was being used at the time, or did I miss something? I just wouldn't like to assume that it is going over etc based on overall performance, when it's easy to see how much is being used in real time and from what apps.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com" target="_blank">amjjawad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Micah Gersten <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:micahg@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">micahg@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 07/16/2013 11:33 PM, Ali Linx
(amjjawad) wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>Information:</u></b></div>
<div>- Xubuntu 12.04.1.ISO</div>
<div>- LiveUSB Created by UNetbootin</div>
<div>- Installation on Real Hardware - <a href="http://phillw.net/hardware/BnA9pw11" target="_blank">http://phillw.net/hardware/BnA9pw11</a></div>
<div>- RAM Used: 242MB - <a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg</a></div>
<div>
<div>- Note that: LiveUSB is faster than LiveCD</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>Test Case:</u></b></div>
<div>
<ol>
<li>Machine has two HDD1 and HDD2<br>
</li>
<li>HDD1 is Samsung 20GB IDE (Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy is
installed on the whole HDD).<br>
</li>
<li>HHD2 is Segate 80GB IDE<br>
</li>
<li>Booting the machine from the LiveUSB<br>
</li>
<li>Choosing "Try Xubuntu without installation"<br>
</li>
<li>Booted successfully to the Live Desktop<br>
</li>
<li><a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg</a><br>
</li>
<li>
The Live Desktop was slow and I had to wait few seconds
until Right Click > Menu shows up.<br>
</li>
<li>Ran GParted to turn SWAP OFF.<br>
</li>
<li>Once SWAP is OFF, the machine became VERY SLOW. If I
press CAPS Lock, the LED on the Keyboards needs few mins
to be ON.<br>
</li>
<li>Obviously, because Physical RAM was already being used
(FULLY) - <a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg</a>
- then once SWAP is OFF, definitely the whole machine will
stop responding and this is very easy to re-produce (I'm
expert to make old machine not usable and not responding).<br>
</li>
<li>Clicked on "Install Xubuntu" from the Desktop</li>
<li>I waited for 30 mins and the machine is totally not
responding and the mouse pointer is stuck on the circle
icon (when the system is processing something, the pointer
turns to be a circle - I'm sure you know what I mean).</li>
<li>I had to reboot the machine.</li>
<li>Repeated the same above steps - same result</li>
<li>Even though the Live Desktop did not crash after 30mins
of waiting, the whole system/machine is not usable and not
responding so whether it crashes or not, same - you can
not do anything and you must reboot.</li>
</ol>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div><b><u>Summary:</u></b></div>
<div>Having all the above said, long story short, there is <b><u>NO
WAY</u></b> to 'Try' Xubuntu on 256MB of RAM nor
'Installing' it with 256MB of RAM. Again, see this: <a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>Suggestion:</u></b></div>
<div>I think by far, it is very much safe to say that the <b><u>Minimum
RAM</u></b> required to Try Xubuntu and/or Install it is
512MB AT LEAST.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>Please Note:</u></b></div>
<div>You need to understand that having a pre-exist SWAP
Partition is NOT the default/standard case for all users.
Users may have only one HDD. User may have not installer
another Linux System on a different or same HDD so they do
have SWAP.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, please note that it is NOT advisable to ask from a
new user to create a SWAP Partition just to install Xubuntu on
LESS than 512MB RAM. This is not helpful at all, IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Having that said, in order to do a real test with a worse
case scenario, you need to follow the steps I have done to get
the same results (SWAP OFF).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><i>By the way ... if zRAM was enabled by default, I'm sure
the results would be different - just saying </i>:)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>What Next?</u></b></div>
<div>On the same machine, I am going to increase the RAM used by
system by entering BIOS and: <a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will set it to 64MB so the RAM that will be used by the
system will be 432MB RAM. I know what you are thinking. There
is 16MB any Linux OS I have tried on that machine can not
read/detect that is why the usable RAM by the system is 432MB
not 448MB. Yes, I will turn SWAP OFF as well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ok, I have tried that and I did not work.</div>
<div><br>
I had to set the RAM to 464MB so that I can install Xubuntu
12.04 from the LiveUSB while I'm on the Live Desktop (Try
Xubuntu without installation > Live Desktop).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>and ...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Installation is successful - Time:13mins </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><u>After Installation Xubuntu 12.04</u></b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is what I did after the installation:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<ol>
<li>sudo nano /etc/fstab</li>
<li>Removed SWAP entry</li>
<li>Saved</li>
<li>Rebooted</li>
<li>sudo apt-get install zram-config</li>
<li><a href="http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg" target="_blank">http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg</a><br>
</li>
</ol>
<div>I'm currently upgrading my system:</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, Xubuntu 12.04 installation has NO Physical SWAP
Partition. </div>
<div>The SWAP that you see here: <a href="http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg" target="_blank">http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg</a></div>
<div>This is from zram-config</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRam" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRam</a><br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>End of Test Report 1</b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for reading!</div>
<div><br>
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</div></div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">I don't think that anyone says
to run Xubuntu with 256MB RAM with no swap partition. </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>I have volunteered to do this test because the Minimum System Requirement on the Website is not correct IMHO and as Lyz said, no one has done such test for a long time so I guess it is good to have some data regarding this.</div>
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<font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Creating a
swap partition is a part of the standard install IIRC. </font></div><span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Also, this can be a swap file and does not need to be a separate disk (though I don't know if the installer handles this properly or not).</span></blockquote>
<div><br></div></div><div>NO one said swap should NOT be created. You misunderstood the whole point.</div><div>SWAP partition will be created 'during' the installation process NOT 'before' it :) hope it is clear now and I guess my report is very much detailed unless I missed something that need further explanation.</div>
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Having said that, I don't have an issue saying that the minimum to
run Xubuntu is 512MB at this point. </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Good. Because saying on the website 256MB is not correct :)</div><div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Even at 512MB, swap will be
needed, but I don't think that's a problem.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Micah<br>
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<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>For me to disable swap and edit fstab is an extreme move to test how far I could go with my installation. That was an added step, ignore it please if this will cause any confusion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Summary: Because I have previous installed Linux with SWAP Partition, I had to disable it 'before' installing Xubuntu.</div><div><br></div><div>Xubuntu Installer will create SWAP Partition DURING the installation process NOT before it ... unless of course ... someone will create his/her partitions 'before' the installation using GParted and choose 'Something Else' from this step: <a href="http://i40.tinypic.com/14jx9h4.jpg" target="_blank">http://i40.tinypic.com/14jx9h4.jpg</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>However, this is not the standard approach. New Users will not create their partitions 'before' the installation.</div><div><br></div><div>Definitely, having a swap partition created 'before' installing Xubuntu will help, no doubt about it but this is not a general case. Only those who are experienced enough can do it. When you mention on the official website a minimum system requirement, you need to keep the very new users in mind :)</div>
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