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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hey Kyle (readding Xubuntu-devel to
      "To", please keep it with any messages you're sending, especially
      if you want to get feedback from "all"),<br>
      <br>
      The main problem with that kind of navigation setup is that it
      isn't trivial to support variable amount of links. To be honest,
      that's been a bit of burden with the current "graphical" links as
      well, and I want to get away from that. Since the links are here
      in the navigation, I don't think there's any need to repeat them
      again on the right hand side.<br>
      <br>
      I don't think the "Desktop of the Week" -section should get that
      much focus. (And generally, if you're not using the area left and
      right to an element, why not just stretch it to 100% width,
      especially when there is a known max width for the layout?)<br>
      <br>
      Other than that, the layout is pretty much what we have now on
      production.<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      Pasi<br>
      <br>
      On 28/05/13 16:43, Kyle Sabara wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CANwgAfAJQqWn5TP7P1U6HccUg6EtGUW5y=zqEsoxYBF7XGErig@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Here's
            like a plan that I made by cutting and pasting around the
            different parts of a screenshot. What do you all think?</span><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Kyle
          Sabara <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:nyguy97@gmail.com" target="_blank">nyguy97@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">I think it looks good!</div>
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                    On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Pasi Lallinaho <span
                      dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org"
                        target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Hey Kyle (and others),<br>
                          <br>
                          I was able to work on the website refresh
                          yesterday and there's now a mockup of
                          navigation. Currently, it looks like this: <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/newnavi.png"
                            target="_blank">http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/newnavi.png</a><br>
                          <br>
                          This is in no way final, so please send your
                          ideas if you think you can improve.<br>
                          <br>
                          Cheers,<br>
                          Pasi
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                              On 27/05/13 05:37, Kyle Sabara wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the information,
                                I guess I'll start thinking up some
                                ideas for a navbar. I really hope to
                                gain some valuable experience. Again,
                                thank you!</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, May
                                  25, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org"
                                      target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    style="margin:0 0 0
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                                    solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hey Kyle,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I'm adding the Xubuntu-devel mailing
                                    list to the recipients, since that's
                                    where we cooperate development
                                    discussion for Xubuntu.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Comments inline.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    On 25/05/13 18:50, Kyle Sabara
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0 0 0
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                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hello,<br>
                                            My name is Kyle Sabara and I
                                      would like to work with your
                                      Xubuntu<br>
                                      web team.<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    First of all, thanks for your
                                    interest!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0 0 0
                                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> I'm 15
                                      but I can assure you I know how to
                                      code CSS and HTML5.<br>
                                      I hold 2 certifications, one in
                                      Adobe Photoshop CS5, as well as
                                      one in<br>
                                      Adobe Dreamweaver CS5. I'd like to
                                      also note that I am going for my<br>
                                      Adobe Flash CS5 certification and
                                      hope to get it soon. I like linux
                                      and<br>
                                      most important to me is the XFCE
                                      flavor that I do run on an old PC.
                                      I do<br>
                                      have some works on the web, in
                                      fact I'm going to Nationals in
                                      California<br>
                                      this year for FBLA in the Web
                                      Design event. I know, you think
                                      just<br>
                                      because I have a Dreamweaver
                                      certification means I don't
                                      actually know<br>
                                      how to code what-so-ever, but I
                                      actually always code with
                                      Notepad++<br>
                                      because I don't like the drag and
                                      drop software environment that<br>
                                      Dreamweaver creates, along with
                                      the annoying bugs you sometimes
                                      have to<br>
                                      comb your document for.<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    Don't worry; we don't judge people
                                    based on their age or certificates
                                    they may or may not have. All
                                    contributions are welcome as long as
                                    they make sense and the community
                                    can agree on the results they bring
                                    with them.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0 0 0
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                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> I already
                                      have a couple ways for integration
                                      of social networking<br>
                                      into your site. One way would be
                                      to add a Twitter app where you
                                      have<br>
                                      Xubuntu Twitter Feed on your site,
                                      perhaps on the homepage? Another<br>
                                      thing you can add to increase
                                      Xubuntu's networking would be to
                                      add a<br>
                                      Facebook Like button, a Google+
                                      button, and a Twitter button if
                                      you will<br>
                                      which I'm not sure if you know
                                      this but a Twitter button is
                                      included on<br>
                                      the Twitter Feed you can
                                      integrate.<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    This is something the
                                    web/marketing/Xubuntu team should
                                    discuss in general.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    So far we haven't specifically
                                    worked to get much of the social
                                    networking showing on the site. This
                                    is partly because we only recently
                                    set up most of the social networking
                                    sites. On the other hand, while the
                                    social networking outlets are
                                    "official", they are community-run
                                    and we aren't controlling their
                                    content too much. While we trust the
                                    administrators, it's not certain
                                    that all communication and comments
                                    made on the social networks is
                                    something we want to automatically
                                    integrate to our website.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    If we decide to add things like
                                    this, it should be easy enough with
                                    existing WordPress plugins.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0 0 0
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                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> Also, I'd
                                      like to point out that you guys
                                      don't really have a full<br>
                                      navigation bar on your site making
                                      a lack in usability.<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    We are constantly working on the
                                    site and even as I write this mail,
                                    we're under process for improvements
                                    on the site. However, all feedback
                                    is welcome: do you have any mockups
                                    or ideas for the navigation bar?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0 0 0
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                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> Another<br>
                                      suggestion I have is that you can
                                      add more pictures to your site in
                                      the<br>
                                      tour and inside the changing image
                                      slider on the homepage; because<br>
                                      people really want to see you
                                      glorify the project and most of
                                      all,<br>
                                      potential users need to know the
                                      look and feel of the software, and<br>
                                      pictures of the Xubuntu user
                                      interface are a good way to go.<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    I agree!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    As long as somebody takes more
                                    screenshots which are recent, we're
                                    good to add them. In addition, we're
                                    working to make the frontpage slider
                                    images slightly bigger with the next
                                    website update.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0 0 0
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                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> I hope
                                      some<br>
                                      of these ideas show some of the
                                      creative skills I can contribute
                                      to the<br>
                                      team.<br>
                                            I feel like getting involved
                                      in this project  can help me build
                                      a<br>
                                      portfolio and help me in my
                                      future.I am a technology
                                      enthusiast and I<br>
                                      love coding HTML. I don't claim to
                                      know everything but I would love
                                      to<br>
                                      expand my knowledge by
                                      contributing some work for an open
                                      source<br>
                                      organization where anyone can get
                                      involved and share ideas.<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    Open source can definitely help with
                                    your CV as long as it isn't your
                                    only (or primary) goal.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0 0 0
                                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> Thank you
                                      again for taking time out of your
                                      lives to read this<br>
                                      statement.<br>
                                      Sincerely,<br>
                                      Kyle Sabara<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    About joining teams and getting
                                    access to resources: we generally
                                    have a "contributions before
                                    membership" policy. In other words,
                                    start following development
                                    discussions, get familiar with the
                                    community processes and people and
                                    when you've been around a while, get
                                    your hands dirty [1].<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Welcome to our community!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Cheers,<br>
                                    Pasi<br>
                                    <br>
                                    [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://xubuntu.org/contribute/"
                                      target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/contribute/</a><span><font
                                        color="#888888"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        -- <br>
                                        Pasi Lallinaho (knome)          
                                                   » <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://open.knome.fi/"
                                          target="_blank">http://open.knome.fi/</a><br>
                                        Leader of Shimmer Project and
                                        Xubuntu       » <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://shimmerproject.org/"
                                          target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a><br>
                                        Graphic artist, webdesigner,
                                        Ubuntu member  » <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://xubuntu.org/"
                                          target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/</a><br>
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