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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The page still lacks quite a bit of
      content. In xubuntu.org you can see the amount of content we will
      likely have.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks for the feedback and working on the proposal!<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      Pasi<br>
      <br>
      On 28/05/13 04:31, Joan Advincula wrote:<br>
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      <p>About the mockup...</p>
      <p>Maybe the two bars at the footer should be fused. I know we
        were talking about the navbar but it looks good right now so...</p>
      <p>Those two bars at the bottom are very much related anyway.
        Putting them in a single footer bar would probably look better.</p>
      <p>- Joan</p>
      <p>P.S. Thank for the information. I'm not exactly a fan of IRC
        but I know how to use it a bit. I'm gonna pull more efforts
        towards the proposal, though.</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On May 27, 2013 5:00 PM, "Pasi Lallinaho"
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            <div>Hey Kyle (and others),<br>
              <br>
              I was able to work on the website refresh yesterday and
              there's now a mockup of navigation. Currently, it looks
              like this: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/newnavi.png"
                target="_blank">http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/newnavi.png</a><br>
              <br>
              This is in no way final, so please send your ideas if you
              think you can improve.<br>
              <br>
              Cheers,<br>
              Pasi<br>
              <br>
              On 27/05/13 05:37, Kyle Sabara wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the information, I guess I'll
                start thinking up some ideas for a navbar. I really hope
                to gain some valuable experience. Again, thank you!</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:46
                  PM, Pasi Lallinaho <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org"
                      target="_blank">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    Hey Kyle,<br>
                    <br>
                    I'm adding the Xubuntu-devel mailing list to the
                    recipients, since that's where we cooperate
                    development discussion for Xubuntu.<br>
                    <br>
                    Comments inline.<br>
                    <br>
                    On 25/05/13 18:50, Kyle Sabara wrote:<br>
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                      Hello,<br>
                            My name is Kyle Sabara and I would like to
                      work with your Xubuntu<br>
                      web team.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                    <br>
                    First of all, thanks for your interest!<br>
                    <br>
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                      I'm 15 but I can assure you I know how to code CSS
                      and HTML5.<br>
                      I hold 2 certifications, one in Adobe Photoshop
                      CS5, as well as one in<br>
                      Adobe Dreamweaver CS5. I'd like to also note that
                      I am going for my<br>
                      Adobe Flash CS5 certification and hope to get it
                      soon. I like linux and<br>
                      most important to me is the XFCE flavor that I do
                      run on an old PC. I do<br>
                      have some works on the web, in fact I'm going to
                      Nationals in California<br>
                      this year for FBLA in the Web Design event. I
                      know, you think just<br>
                      because I have a Dreamweaver certification means I
                      don't actually know<br>
                      how to code what-so-ever, but I actually always
                      code with Notepad++<br>
                      because I don't like the drag and drop software
                      environment that<br>
                      Dreamweaver creates, along with the annoying bugs
                      you sometimes have to<br>
                      comb your document for.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                    <br>
                    Don't worry; we don't judge people based on their
                    age or certificates they may or may not have. All
                    contributions are welcome as long as they make sense
                    and the community can agree on the results they
                    bring with them.<br>
                    <br>
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                      I already have a couple ways for integration of
                      social networking<br>
                      into your site. One way would be to add a Twitter
                      app where you have<br>
                      Xubuntu Twitter Feed on your site, perhaps on the
                      homepage? Another<br>
                      thing you can add to increase Xubuntu's networking
                      would be to add a<br>
                      Facebook Like button, a Google+ button, and a
                      Twitter button if you will<br>
                      which I'm not sure if you know this but a Twitter
                      button is included on<br>
                      the Twitter Feed you can integrate.<br>
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                    <br>
                    This is something the web/marketing/Xubuntu team
                    should discuss in general.<br>
                    <br>
                    So far we haven't specifically worked to get much of
                    the social networking showing on the site. This is
                    partly because we only recently set up most of the
                    social networking sites. On the other hand, while
                    the social networking outlets are "official", they
                    are community-run and we aren't controlling their
                    content too much. While we trust the administrators,
                    it's not certain that all communication and comments
                    made on the social networks is something we want to
                    automatically integrate to our website.<br>
                    <br>
                    If we decide to add things like this, it should be
                    easy enough with existing WordPress plugins.<br>
                    <br>
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                      Also, I'd like to point out that you guys don't
                      really have a full<br>
                      navigation bar on your site making a lack in
                      usability.<br>
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                    <br>
                    We are constantly working on the site and even as I
                    write this mail, we're under process for
                    improvements on the site. However, all feedback is
                    welcome: do you have any mockups or ideas for the
                    navigation bar?<br>
                    <br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                      Another<br>
                      suggestion I have is that you can add more
                      pictures to your site in the<br>
                      tour and inside the changing image slider on the
                      homepage; because<br>
                      people really want to see you glorify the project
                      and most of all,<br>
                      potential users need to know the look and feel of
                      the software, and<br>
                      pictures of the Xubuntu user interface are a good
                      way to go.<br>
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                    <br>
                    I agree!<br>
                    <br>
                    As long as somebody takes more screenshots which are
                    recent, we're good to add them. In addition, we're
                    working to make the frontpage slider images slightly
                    bigger with the next website update.<br>
                    <br>
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                      I hope some<br>
                      of these ideas show some of the creative skills I
                      can contribute to the<br>
                      team.<br>
                            I feel like getting involved in this project
                       can help me build a<br>
                      portfolio and help me in my future.I am a
                      technology enthusiast and I<br>
                      love coding HTML. I don't claim to know everything
                      but I would love to<br>
                      expand my knowledge by contributing some work for
                      an open source<br>
                      organization where anyone can get involved and
                      share ideas.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                    <br>
                    Open source can definitely help with your CV as long
                    as it isn't your only (or primary) goal.<br>
                    <br>
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                      Thank you again for taking time out of your lives
                      to read this<br>
                      statement.<br>
                      Sincerely,<br>
                      Kyle Sabara<br>
                    </blockquote>
                    <br>
                    About joining teams and getting access to resources:
                    we generally have a "contributions before
                    membership" policy. In other words, start following
                    development discussions, get familiar with the
                    community processes and people and when you've been
                    around a while, get your hands dirty [1].<br>
                    <br>
                    Welcome to our community!<br>
                    <br>
                    Cheers,<br>
                    Pasi<br>
                    <br>
                    [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://xubuntu.org/contribute/"
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                        color="#888888"><br>
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                        -- <br>
                        Pasi Lallinaho (knome)                      » <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://open.knome.fi/" target="_blank">http://open.knome.fi/</a><br>
                        Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu       » <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://shimmerproject.org/"
                          target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a><br>
                        Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member  » <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://xubuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/</a><br>
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Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu       » <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://shimmerproject.org/" target="_blank">http://shimmerproject.org/</a>
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Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu       » <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://shimmerproject.org/">http://shimmerproject.org/</a>
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