Hello,<div><br></div><div>I forked a few things to respin a distro off Xubuntu 12.04 back in January, and a few days ago I signed on to help with testing Xubuntu 13.04 as a way of "giving back". However, now I am probably going to say goodbye to the respin and focus on testing 13.04 and getting it off the ground. It's almost like with 13.04 (I hated 12.10, which overheated my laptop) a wishlist of mine was completed (no point in respinning a distro that has everything you need on it): So first let me note why I love this beta already and why I totally see it growing the userbase:</div> <div><ol><li>With Gnumeric the office suite is there-- granted I am no friend of AbiWord (I actually use a tiny Windows word processor anyway that works better on the system) so I agree with the poster about LibreOffice from a couple months ago-- but I get the size thing, and it's easy enough to change (Anyone try LO4? It's great!)</li> <li>Parole is just a great media player. It's low memory and efficient, and frankly it's my preferred media player.</li><li>Starting with Greybird for the menu configuration is so much nicer for people coming from a Windows environment. It just looks nice. I would prefer starting the menu on the bottom, not the top (I am not a Mac anything fan) but it's easy enough to fix.</li> <li>Since you guys are adding backgrounds--THANK YOU. The new Xubuntu default background is SO much better than 12.04's as well. It's dark, but generic enough that it isn't off-putting. 12.04's was a little too erm, "slasher movie" and there's nothing that can be done about a rodent being the distro logo, though in my neighborhood I wouldn't want one of those as my mascot. New backgrounds. Bright colors. Do it!</li> <li>Xfce 4.10 is great as is Thunar. Gimp 4.8 is defaulted. And the new HPLIP software is there, which covers their newest printers (that's what finally sold me on going beta and testing in the first place-- some of HP's new printers (like the OfficeJet 4620) cannot work on 12.04, and to my knowledge, 12.10 neither.</li> </ol><div>In other words, almost anything that could be improved about Xubuntu is being rolled out in 13.04 -- except the elephant in the room:</div></div><div><br></div><div><b>Wine.</b> </div><div><br></div><div>Wine works excellently with X 13.04 already. If you are going to up the distro to a little under 1GB put Wine on it. It's really the last piece of a puzzle that will give Windows users a real alternative that's efficient.</div> <div><br></div><div>The only other thing I would suggest (which would free up some space) is to switch to the Lubuntu Software Center and GDebi. It's just a better setup. The USC is just too unwieldy. Yes, it works ok on my machine, till I'm running 10 programs. After that I find myself switching to Google for a program name and apt-get. If you guys HAVE to have a big giant software center, Deepin is much nicer looking, even though it's terrible for netbooks (doesn't resize well).</div> <div><br></div><div>Other than that, I am so glad 13.04 is here, even in beta. It's great, and while I am sad to see I have no reason to do a respin (I kind of liked having my "very own OS", I am still working on my new GUI idea, and it's clear Cairo-dock is going to have some testing issues (it seems to not recognize horizontal location in XFCE now). I did discover that the update process (I was using terminal to update since there was an issue with software-center-- kudos to the fixer!) asks in a prompt about the gnome defaults, and if you kill that process it will put a package lock a reboot wont fix-- need to delete the lock and configure dpkg again. But I will go back to bug checking and just a note with a big thanks, and a couple suggestions! </div> <div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Dcn Joseph Suaiden, Crozier Press</div><div>the artiste most likely soon formerly known as "Colorwheel"</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send xubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of xubuntu-devel digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> 1. RE: Beta 1 testing. (Thomas Molloy)<br> 2. Re: Beta 1 testing. (Joshua O'Leary)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:01:33 +0000<br> From: Thomas Molloy <<a href="mailto:lderan@outlook.com">lderan@outlook.com</a>><br> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br> Subject: RE: Beta 1 testing.<br> Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS378D3271FF65907368EBC35CCD50@phx.gbl><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br> <br> Aye, i would like to help out as much as i can as well. Though i have no experience with packaging yet. I can program comfortably in C++<br> <br> Tom<br> ________________________________<br> From: Joshua O'Leary<mailto:<a href="mailto:jmoey139@gmail.com">jmoey139@gmail.com</a>><br> Sent: ?22/?03/?2013 22:01<br> To: <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br> Subject: Re: Beta 1 testing.<br> <br> What areas does the Xubuntu team particularly need help with at the<br> moment? I can do some programming in C, though haven't yet fully got the<br> hang of packaging etc. I don't mind doing occasional tests of the live<br> images when I have time (have started to do this), I have an old<br> computer with a hard drive spare. Are there any other areas in need of<br> contribution? Xubuntu is great, really unlocks the potential of any PC,<br> and I wouldn't mind helping out where I can.<br> <br> Joshua<br> On 11/03/13 23:52, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote:<br> > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Jackson Doak <<a href="mailto:doak.jackson@gmail.com">doak.jackson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >> could everyone start testing the beta 1 images<br> > The beta1 images have been spun up for testing, so you'll want to use<br> > this link to test:<br> ><br> > <a href="http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds" target="_blank">http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds</a><br> ><br> > We've also published a blog post with some pointers about testing:<br> ><br> > <a href="http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/</a><br> ><br> > Thanks everyone!<br> ><br> <br> <br> --<br> xubuntu-devel mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20130323/91b9eeb1/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20130323/91b9eeb1/attachment-0001.html</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 2<br> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 20:08:49 +0000<br> From: Joshua O'Leary <<a href="mailto:jmoey139@gmail.com">jmoey139@gmail.com</a>><br> To: <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> Subject: Re: Beta 1 testing.<br> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:514E0BD1.9020105@gmail.com">514E0BD1.9020105@gmail.com</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br> <br> I think the build system really ought to be more streamlined - the<br> package management itself is great, but the build process involves the<br> calling of so many scripts that I'm sure there'd be a performance hit. A<br> new build system would make development easier, though would be no easy<br> task...<br> On 23/03/13 14:01, Thomas Molloy wrote:<br> > Aye, i would like to help out as much as i can as well. Though i have<br> > no experience with packaging yet. I can program comfortably in C++<br> ><br> > Tom<br> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> > From: Joshua O'Leary <mailto:<a href="mailto:jmoey139@gmail.com">jmoey139@gmail.com</a>><br> > Sent: ?22/?03/?2013 22:01<br> > To: <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br> > Subject: Re: Beta 1 testing.<br> ><br> > What areas does the Xubuntu team particularly need help with at the<br> > moment? I can do some programming in C, though haven't yet fully got the<br> > hang of packaging etc. I don't mind doing occasional tests of the live<br> > images when I have time (have started to do this), I have an old<br> > computer with a hard drive spare. Are there any other areas in need of<br> > contribution? Xubuntu is great, really unlocks the potential of any PC,<br> > and I wouldn't mind helping out where I can.<br> ><br> > Joshua<br> > On 11/03/13 23:52, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote:<br> > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Jackson Doak<br> > <<a href="mailto:doak.jackson@gmail.com">doak.jackson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > >> could everyone start testing the beta 1 images<br> > > The beta1 images have been spun up for testing, so you'll want to use<br> > > this link to test:<br> > ><br> > > <a href="http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds" target="_blank">http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds</a><br> > ><br> > > We've also published a blog post with some pointers about testing:<br> > ><br> > > <a href="http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/" target="_blank">http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/</a><br> > ><br> > > Thanks everyone!<br> > ><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > xubuntu-devel mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br> ><br> ><br> <br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20130323/981d6fed/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20130323/981d6fed/attachment-0001.html</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> --<br> xubuntu-devel mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br> <br> <br> End of xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 90, Issue 13<br> *********************************************<br> </font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><b>Colorwheel OS</b></div><div><a href="http://colorwheel-os.com" target="_blank">http://colorwheel-os.com</a></div><div>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/ColorwheelOS" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/ColorwheelOS</a></div> </div>