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On 01/07/2011 09:11 PM, Jim Campbell wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Glenn de
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Hello,
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<div>here are some of my thoughts:</div>
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<div>Chromium looks really odd and alien on linux, and
Midori is unstable, so I say stick with FF.</div>
<div>Claws-mail is really good and lightweight, it will be a
good thunderbird replacement.</div>
<div>Exaile is not bad but I like (the new) Audacious a lot.</div>
<div>It has a beautiful gtk interface and is the most
lightweight player I have seen.</div>
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I'm all in for gmusicbrowser in the default installation. Don't know
about lightweightness versus Audacious though.<br>
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<div>Also, has lightdm ever been considered?</div>
<div>It seems to be awesome and much lighter then gdm.</div>
<div>Lxdm is good too.</div>
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LightDM has and is been considered, AFAIK.<br>
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<div>-Glenn<br>
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If you haven't seen the latest issue, Linux Journal has a quick
look at some alternate desktop environments, and the first one
featured is Xfce on Xubuntu. The primary* thing that they noted
was that the default Xubuntu install ran with 325mb of RAM used,
while Ubuntu's default RAM usage after boot-up was 328mb (by
contrast, Lubuntu used just 167mb of RAM). They actually
suggested using Ubuntu with lighter-weight apps (i.e., Installing
Ubuntu and replacing Rhythmbox with Exaile, etc.) over using
Xubuntu. (Note that they didn't *dislike* Xubuntu, but just
thought it wasn't a big advantage to use Xfce over Gnome.)<br>
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Xubuntu may load some useful features that Lubuntu doesn't load,
but that RAM usage number is one measuring stick that people use.
Would it be worthwhile to consider any changes that might allow
for lesser memory usage at boot? I'd be willing to help with
testing out various configurations and reporting back to the group
if that would help.<br>
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I don't really know if it's feasible or technically possible to
accomplish, but we could try disabling services by default, and then
give the user a choice to enable those later (more easily than from
the normal services settings). For example, CUPS isn't needed in
every PC.<br>
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Also, I went back to look at the "Should we use Chromium?" thread
from 2009, and a couple of things have changed since then . . .
Chromium is now stable (it was in beta at the time), there is a
legitimate ad-blocking extension (not just ad-hiding), and it now
allows for community translations (meaning we wouldn't be limited
to Google Chrome's default language set.). These were all larger
concerns at that time.<br>
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Switching to Chromium by default sounds good, if it really does much
difference. If it's not a huge saving memory-/performancewise, then
I'd maybe say no.<br>
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I'm indifferent on the mail application. If it means that we
could get rid of Xulrunner (which would require switching to
Chromium and Clawsmail), it might be worth considering switching
to Clawsmail, too. I think yelp uses Xulrunner, though, and yelp
gets pulled in with some of our gnome-apps, like file-roller.<br>
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Thunderbird is something I personally *need*. It being the default
is not mandatory, especially if we can get rid of Xulrunner.<br>
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I can completely live without file-roller, if we can find any
replacement, even a bit more memory-consuming. If Yelp truly uses
Xulrunner, would somebody like to find out which apps require Yelp
in the default Xubuntu installation so we can start shooting those
out?<br>
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Jim<br>
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*They also incorrectly ascribed the nice-looking theme to work by
Canonical. I'll have to write a letter to the editor about that
one. : ) <br>
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Thanks, Jim. That's appreciated :)<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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