Heya Simon,<br><br>As I told you, I think the need for so many non-stock icons come from a design problem in the GUI. Evolution is quite advanced too and yet manages to use the stock icons. I agree that there may be missing icons in fd.o's icons lists, but in this case the claws developers should try to get them included there instead of using internal icons.<br>
<br>Anyways, I'd love it if we could know (ie. be 100% sure) which client to use before august, so I could code a plugin for proper indicator-applet support (and remove the messy notifications ! meh).<br><br>SD.<br><br>
PS : Good luck for your thesis ! <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/6/22 Simon Steinbeiß <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon.steinbeiss@elfenbeinturm.at">simon.steinbeiss@elfenbeinturm.at</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey everyone,<br>
<br>
after a few discussions on #xubuntu-devel, which were following up on the mailclient<br>
review I tried to do for Karmic a while ago, I'd like to post something that might (or<br>
might not) be interesting for you.<br>
<br>
One critical point that applies to both Thunderbird and Claws-Mail is icon-consistency.<br>
Since both of them mostly don't use stock icons, they tend to make the look and feel<br>
inconsistent with the rest.<br>
At least for Claws I would like to give an update on this point: I had a quick discussion<br>
with one of the claws-devs and he basically confirmed what I had assumed, that it would<br>
make the whole app even more inconsistent if they tried to use more stock icons. That's<br>
because Claws *needs* a lot of icons that don't have equivalents in most icon themes (I'm<br>
almost sure that at least 50% of the icons used by Claws you can't find in *any*<br>
gnome/xfce icon theme out there).<br>
<br>
Let me give you a quick example to illustrate this point: for directories alone there are<br>
four states (multiply that by 2, because there is an icon for open and one for closed<br>
dirs): normal, hidden-read-message, marked-message, hidden-read-message and<br>
marked-message.<br>
Now for these states there are no equivalents as far as I could find out and I don't<br>
think there will be any anytime soon. That's why I think it makes sense for them to stick<br>
to their own icon themes. (The point is that if a theme lacks these icons, Claws will use<br>
its internal iconset instead and that means you end up in an even more unpleasant,<br>
inconsistent visual mess.)<br>
<br>
I totally agree though that every app should have a consistent look (and feel) with the<br>
rest of the desktop, so I decided to do an icon theme that is built to resemble Xubuntu's<br>
standard icon theme at the moment (I also reckoned that this wouldn't change for Karmic,<br>
at least from what I could conclude after a few discussions with knome on the subject),<br>
gnome-brave. It may not be perfect yet, but there are all the icons you need.<br>
At the moment it's not yet available at the claws-mail site even though I submitted it a<br>
while ago, but I'd like to provide an alternative download for the meantime. So for<br>
those of you who are interested, you can get the theme here:<br>
<a href="http://elfenbeinturm.at/gnome-brave.tar.gz" target="_blank">http://elfenbeinturm.at/gnome-brave.tar.gz</a><br>
(Also: as soon as it's in the themes-package on the claws-site it means that it would<br>
hopefully be included in the claws-mail-themes package available in the repos; at least<br>
if the packagers decide to use an up-to-date version of the archive for Karmic.)<br>
<br>
Alright, I see now that this message has become a bit lenghty considering the weight of<br>
the subject, but I still hope it does some good.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
PS: Sorry for not being able to be more active in recent discussions, but I'm busy<br>
finishing my thesis until the end of the month (keepingfingerscrossed).<br>
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