Hello,<br><br> I've CCed Matthew Nuzum who is Canonical's webmaster. Being responsible for both the Canonical and Ubuntu website, I'm hoping he'll be able to share his insight and opinion on your proposal on switching to wordpress from drupal for the Xubuntu website. My personal commentary can be found below inline.<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Pasi Lallinaho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">Jim Campbell wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>><br> </div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Cody A.W. Somerville wrote:<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>><br> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>> wrote:<br> > ><br> ><br> > There is no need to start a flamewar about the subject. Again I feel<br> > that this is one of the situations where I think having experts from<br> > different areas matter - the experts in web should be listened<br> > more when<br> > we are talking about things concerning web.<br> ><br> ><br> > FWIW, the Ubuntu server team just has a team blog up at<br> </div>> <a href="http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com" target="_blank">ubuntuserver.wordpress.com</a> <<a href="http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com</a>>. Not<br> <div class="im">> very fancy! The launchpad team has a blog up at <a href="http://blog.launchpad.net" target="_blank">blog.launchpad.net</a><br> </div>> <<a href="http://blog.launchpad.net" target="_blank">http://blog.launchpad.net</a>>. The Kubuntu team does not have a team blog.<br> <div class="im">><br> > I do like the idea of having a team blog, though. A team blog is<br> > different than a planet in that the team blog belongs to the project,<br> > and the authorship does not belong to one person. Also, the content<br> > seems more polished than one might find on a regular developer blog.<br> > (No offense to regular developer blogs . . . ). I'm comfortable with<br> > individual developer blogs just being on <a href="http://planet.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">planet.ubuntu.com</a><br> </div>> <<a href="http://planet.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">http://planet.ubuntu.com</a>>, but if others feel otherwise - that's ok, too.<br> My point in "Planet Xubuntu" was to gather all the Xubuntu posts in one<br> place, like Planet Ubuntu does for everything *buntu*. Xubuntu is a way<br> smaller subject and I doubt that the PX would have a different audience<br> than PU. I know it sounds like doubling things, but this is what I<br> perceive. We also could aggregate something that is not aggregated into<br> PU and point to related sites.</blockquote><div><br>I'm not sure if you misspoke here. You say that you doubt that Planet Xubuntu would have a different audience than Planet Ubuntu. I agree which is why I don't see the need for Planet Xubuntu. Furthermore, I think its important to clarify that the Planet is not about aggregating posts about Ubuntu but instead the aggregation of blog posts by Ubuntu Members. Although posts that appear on the planet are frequently about Ubuntu and/or its derivatives, this is not mandatory nor expected. As stated on <a href="http://planet.ubuntu.com">http://planet.ubuntu.com</a>, "Planet Ubuntu is a window into the world, work and lives of Ubuntu developers and contributors".<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> If we decide to set up a team blog which has no aggregated posts from<br> the authors own blogs, we are growing our workload quite a lot. We have<br> been very lazy in updating our website, the wiki etc. etc., but most of<br> us have written our personal blogs quite conscientious. Gathering a<br> Xubuntu Planet would in this light make some sense. The content would be<br> quite easily updated, even if the post quality and appropriateness would<br> not be as great as it would be with blog with no aggregated posts.</blockquote><div><br>I don't buy this. A team blog would be a communication vehicle to share news and stories about Xubuntu in a professional yet informal matter. Content would be planned and intentional, be peer reviewed before publication, and have a clear objective/purpose. Aggregating personal personal blog content would be counter-intuitive to achieving that.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">><br> > With regards to our current site are the RSS Feeds for Xubuntu.org<br> > broken? Is Drupal limited in how well it can configure RSS feeds, or<br> > are we just not using it right? Pasi, it sounds like you are<br> > suggesting that we move Xubuntu.org to Worpress MU, correct?<br> </div>If you are in any other page than home page, the RSS link in the left is<br> not working. It seems like a bug in the HTML creating code, not sure if<br> it is my fault.<br> <br> Yes, I suggest and stand for WPMU.</blockquote><div><br>This is a bug in the website, yes. I imagine that it does not matter what software we use, we will run into these. I also imagine that this bug is entirely resolvable. <br> <br>I looked on launchpad but it does not appear that anyone has filed a bug about this. As we should all be aware by now, filing a bug report is the first step to getting bugs fixed.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">><br> > All things being equal, I would like to stay with Drupal to stay<br> > consistent with the other Ubuntu flavors, if possible. If an upgrade<br> > to Drupal, or adding in additional modules, would give us more<br> > features (or fix existing features), I think we should look at that<br> > before considering moving everything over to Wordpress.<br> </div>I don't know how much consistency really matters in this situation.<br> There is no place where the sites should be working together or<br> exchanging content. And Xubuntu is a community-driven project after all.</blockquote><div><br>Jim didn't mention exchanging content. What he did mention though are excellent points and very much do matter. The fact that Xubuntu is a community-driver project makes them even more so.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm not really fond of Drupal personally, and that of course guides my<br> opinions about it in a community also. I think we can get to the same<br> outcome with both Drupal and WP(MU), though.<br> <br> Migrating to WP (or any CMS/whatever) would not be really hard, because<br> we have that little content. I've just migrated my personal blogs worth<br> of ~150 articles, ~100 comments and lots of other things to WP, and it<br> wasn't that exhaustive, even if I had to do most of it manually.</blockquote><div><br>Migrating to WP provides us no immediate benefit and would require a lot more work than you're willing to admit. Besides, what problem would it solve?<br> <br>I appreciate that you're more familiar with wordpress than drupal but I don't think thats strong enough motivation to migrate our website to that software.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">><br> > A bit offtopic, but I think the Oxford Archaeology blog is a good<br> > example of a "team blog done well." In fact, generally speaking the<br> > other team blogs (Q.A., Launchpad, Server Team) are done pretty well,<br> > too . . . It's just that the O.A. blog stands out to me as one that is<br> > particularly well-done. For example, it has content you don't find<br> > elsewhere, the posts are well-organized, it includes grahics where<br> > relevant, and they break-up sections of text with different headings<br> > to make it easier to read. That would be the kind of professionalism<br> > that I would expect from Xubuntu team blog entries.<br> </div>For what it comes to "doing a blog well", I think WP is far superior to<br> Drupal in this matter. It is really easy to template to work as a blog<br> and to show different kind of content lists, page layouts and whatever.<br> ><br> > Jim<br> A note I would like to make that it is *totally* overkill to have Drupal<br> for the website *AND* WordPress for the blog(s). As I've said earlier,<br> we can achieve the same results in both. I'd still suggest going for<br> WPMU due to its superior features and templating blogs.</blockquote><div><br>The blog would be intentionally separate from the website regardless if our primary website was using WP or not. <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> --<br> Pasi Lallinaho<br> Xubuntu Marketing Lead<br> Web-designer, graphic artist<br> IRC: knome @ freenode<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all">Cheers,<br><br>-- <br>Cody A.W. Somerville<br>Software Systems Release Engineer<br>Foundations Team<br>Custom Engineering Solutions Group<br>Canonical OEM Services<br> Phone: +1-781-850-2087<br>Cell: +1-506-471-8402<br>Email: <a href="mailto:cody.somerville@canonical.com">cody.somerville@canonical.com</a><br>