<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello Vincent and other fellow contributors.<br>
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Vincent wrote:<br>
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> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a><br>
</div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>>> wrote:<br>
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</div><div class="im">> Hi Jannis,<br>
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> Jannis Pohlmann wrote:<br>
> > On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:48:56 +0200<br>
</div><div class="im">> > Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Jim Campbell wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:open@knome.fi">open@knome.fi</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Hello everybody,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> just a quick message/request for comments about artwork to<br>
> >>> Jaunty. We have been discussing the artwork for Jaunty in<br>
> >>> #xubuntu-devel lately, as<br>
> >>> many of you know.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> You can look at something ready at<br>
> >>> <a href="http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-artwork/" target="_blank">http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-artwork/</a>.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> <statements of personal impressions and preferences><br>
> >>> Pasi, these are beautiful. Thank you so much for putting them<br>
> >>> together. My personal preference is for GDM #2, but it is not a<br>
> >>> strong preference. I think any one of them would be great.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The wallpaper is super-great, too. :) I like how the Xubuntu<br>
> logo<br>
> >>> is so big on the page, but so nicely integrated.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Have we settled on an icon, gtk, or xfwm theme yet? In regards to<br>
> >>> the GTK theme, Murrina Storm Cloud is nice looking, but it<br>
> seems we<br>
> >>> have used it for the past 3 or 4 releases. It would be nice for a<br>
> >>> change if we can find a suitable replacement. As for xfwm4<br>
> themes,<br>
> >>> I like Xfce 4.6's default xfwm4 theme.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Again, great work! =)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Jim<br>
> >>> </statements of personal impressions and preferences><br>
> >>><br>
> >> Hi Jim and everybody,<br>
> >><br>
> >> here's some comments about GTK+, icon and xfwm themes.<br>
> >><br>
> >> GTK+ THEME<br>
> >><br>
> >> I've also talked about the GTK+ theme selection. On<br>
> >> <a href="http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-gtk/" target="_blank">http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-gtk/</a> you can see<br>
> screenshots from<br>
> >> MurrinaStormCloud and Murrina-Tangoesque. I think *Cloud is nice<br>
> >> looking, but is a bit too contrasted. The contrast on<br>
> *Tangoesque is<br>
> >> fine for me, but might be too uncontrasted for many. Something<br>
> between<br>
> >> these would be perfect (that's only my opinion) - either of them is<br>
> >> fine for me otherwise.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Both the themes have the problem that the scrollbar is *way*<br>
> too light<br>
> >> for the window borders. Maybe we can just adjust this color and the<br>
> >> color of the window borders to fit the background.<br>
> >><br>
> >> What comes about changing a theme, we might be a bit late on the<br>
> >> release cycle. I also don't have any experience on GTK+ themes, so<br>
> >> maybe in Karmic?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Anyway, I suggest some action on this and totally want any feedback<br>
> >> and all of your opinions.<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > I'm currently using Shiki-Brave which looks very nice in combination<br>
> > with your wallpapers.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> I suppose you are talking about the Shiki-colors at <a href="http://xfce-look.org" target="_blank">xfce-look.org</a><br>
</div></div>> <<a href="http://xfce-look.org" target="_blank">http://xfce-look.org</a>><br>
<div class="im">> (<a href="http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=86717" target="_blank">http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=86717</a>)? Are you<br>
> referring to the MurrineSVN or Clearlooks version?<br>
><br>
> I could see this as the default theme for Xubuntu. However, my only<br>
> concern is that the title bars might be a little bit too tall. Also, I<br>
> personally just miss *some* kind of window borders (more than 1px<br>
> black).<br>
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> I suppose this theme is also not packaged for Ubuntu, so that would<br>
> bring in some more work.<br>
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> Shiki-Brave is one of the Shiki-Colors theme, the most popular one and<br>
> the one that would fit the Xubuntu-style best. The advantage is that<br>
> we get a sorta-dark theme that fits your artwork, yet not that dark to<br>
> make for an unusable interface (i.e. the buttons and window content<br>
> and such are grey, overall).<br>
</div>That is true. I've now used it for some time with my wallpaper and I<br>
truly have to say they fit together.<br>
<div class="im">> However, it does use Clearlooks, and I don't think we should go back<br>
> to using that because of speed concerns. Even though it looks<br>
> smashing, I'd say wait until we can use it with a stable Murrine, and<br>
> Murrine only.<br>
</div>I don't know so much about theme engine concerns. Shiki-brave had a<br>
MurrineSVN version, but it didn't work at all for me.</blockquote><div><br>Yeah, well, I'm no expert either. I believe Eero knew a lot about performance, CC'ing :)<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div class="im">> Furthermore, Shiki-Brave only comes with an Emerald theme. That means<br>
> a fitting xfwm4 theme would have to be made. It doesn't look like<br>
> that's too much work, but it would need to be packaged too, so...<br>
</div>The following issue might occur just because it being an Emerald theme.<br>
I'm already using Shiki-brave for my theme in Xubuntu Jaunty and it<br>
mostly works correctly. However, for example Synaptic looks GTK1'ish, so<br>
it looks that the theme will have to fallback to something else<br>
sometimes. This is definitely bad, at least as it happens with Synaptic.</blockquote><div><br>Do you have a screenshot of that?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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I talked with Cody and he said that we are unable to package anything<br>
for Jaunty anymore, *but* we can edit existing packages and thus get a<br>
new icon set (Gnome brave is still my suggestion) into Jaunty even if it<br>
wouldn't have its own package. I see this might definitely not be the<br>
right way to do things, but if it's our only shot, I think it's worth it.</blockquote><div><br>Yeah I suppose so, if it can later (>Jaunty) be packaged separately. What would it be added to? xubuntu-artwork?<br>
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<div class="im">> Besides, another advantage of tangoesque is its not using rounded<br>
> corners, which supposedly makes it faster than MSC.<br>
</div>This should maybe tested with a low-end PC or a virtual machine with<br>
little memory.<br>
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</div>Let's keep up the good conversation.<br>
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