<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:57 PM, jmak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jozmak@gmail.com">jozmak@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Vincent <<a href="mailto:mailinglists@vinnl.nl">mailinglists@vinnl.nl</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:01 PM, jmak <<a href="mailto:jozmak@gmail.com">jozmak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> I agree with you. I am also running dreamlinux, in fact that is the<br> >> only distro that I didn't feel the need to change its defaults<br> >> setting.<br> >> This just shows what I said before; how important the look is. And how<br> >> important to understand the target audience preferences.<br> >> By the way, AWN developers are working on a standalone launcher that<br> >> works without compiz. Maybe, we can already start thinking about<br> >> replacing xubuntu's bottom panel in the upcoming releases with AWN<br> >> launcher.<br> ><br> > Bad idea, AWN isn't great in terms of usability. It leaves the two bottom<br> > corners, which are easiest to reach with the mouse (together with the top<br> > corners) unused. Besides, AWN takes up quite a lot of vertical space while<br> > we will still also need a top panel for the menu and such.<br> <br> </div>Dreamlinux uses the similar set up but with engage. I find it<br> extremely usable. </blockquote><div><br>Well, it's a fact that the corners are the easiest to reach, so it's a waste not to use it.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Because engage is sitting behind the applications<br> only one panel visible, that even optimizes screenspace. </blockquote><div><br>Having the icons behind the applications is really not that handy, see <a href="http://www.digiplace.nl/images/dream.png">http://www.digiplace.nl/images/dream.png</a><br> The margin at the bottom is distracting and meanwhile the dock is unusable.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I like the<br> idea that the systemtray and the menu is on the same panel. </blockquote><div><br>That already is the case in Xubuntu IIRC.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> And in the<br> next awn release, you will be able position the launchers any side of<br> the screen.<br> In the last sentence, you meant its size? It is too large that's what you meant?<br> <div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div><br>Yep, if it doesn't hide behind windows then it takes up a lot of screen real estate (with a lot wasted at both sides of the dock), which doesn't sound like a good idea after all the discussion on decreasing the panel size.</div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br> >><br> >> Even Mark Suttleworth indicated, it is possible that in the future kde<br> >> will be the main ubuntu desktop rather than gnome.<br> ><br> > No he didn't. He said that an LGPL Qt might be the basis of GNOME instead of<br> > GTK - with an emphasis on *might*, because clearly that would be a lot of<br> > work. Besides, GTK is also still improving.<br> <br> </div>I was not sure exactly the wording; but now he starts talking about<br> the beauty of the macintosh and the fact that ubuntu has to look even<br> better, indicates that when kde 4 will be fully functional he might<br> make kde as a main ubuntu desktop.<br></blockquote><div><br>Can you cite a source? I'm quite up-to-date yet can't recall reading anything of the sorts. I do know he wants to out-pretty OS X, but no mention of using KDE to accomplish that. (Probably the most important step to accomplish that is a different colour scheme ;-)<br>  </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> jmak<br> ><br> >><br> >> jmak<br> ><br> > Cheers,<br> ><br> > --<br> > Vincent</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Vincent<br> </div>