<div dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:36 PM, jmak <<a href="mailto:jozmak@gmail.com">jozmak@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Vincent <<a href="mailto:mailinglists@vinnl.nl">mailinglists@vinnl.nl</a>> wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM, jmak <<a href="mailto:jozmak@gmail.com">jozmak@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >> Here the point is: everything has a certain logic, regardless of the >> circumstances. If you build a house, you cannot start with the roof, >> but with the foundations, walls and so forth. If someone insists of >> building the roof first, you know that this person has never built a >> house before. But this can be rectified by explaining to him that the >> right way building the house is by starting with the foundation. If >> insists, you wont waiste your time on the project. This is the case >> with graphic artists, they come, look around, register what's going on >> make a few sensible recommendations and when see that nothing happens >> they leave. I think many would stay if they could meaningfully >> contribute to the project. > > OK, in general, I think we agree with you. However, what is your proposed > solution? Who should do what? Who is currently doing what wrong? We don't > just need a description of the problem, but also a proposed solution to make > progress. I can't think of any. > </div></div>Ok, here is the plan. The most important thing would be to fix the usplash; if nobody on this list can help with this, I will write to the maintainer, maybe he can give me some clues about the solution. Next decide on the icon theme. This we can do it right now. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> The next thing would be deciding on the gtk theme. I recommend using a flat design. To make things as smooth as possible, I recommend Unity. This is a good compromise. It is already packaged and is in the Ubuntu repository. Cimi is also working on brand new murrina engine and themes, but it is not sure that will be ready for October. He said that he will release them in September, but this is just a tentative schedule. If the new murrina will come out we will replace unity with murrina because they look topnotch. If not we are going to stick with unity.  Jim is also working on something. Lets see what he will come up with. </blockquote><div> I'd say use Unity, even if the new Murrine arrives before October, then perhaps ship it for 9.04 when it's well-tested.  </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> We can theme the panel only after deciding on the gtk theme because it should reflect its color scheme. But we  can fine-tune the icon theme by improving the icons appearance on the panel and removing label backgrounds right away. I've already published a version of the gdm but that is not the final version. I've already created an improved version with text color fixes of the login box; I also modified a bit the logo and the background that will be the same as the wallpaper. Because nobody reported any bugs (other than the text color) I assume that it works ok. And lastly, the wallpaper, which can wait until the more important fixes will be implemented. This is the code used to fix the icon appearance on the panel and clean up the labels. We can fine-tune the text color later. And we can add color to the panel when the gtk theme will be decided upon. #label transparency style "xfdesktop-icon-view" { XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0 base[NORMAL] = "#00ff00" base[SELECTED] = "#5050ff" base[ACTIVE] = "#0000ff" fg[NORMAL] = "#ffffff" fg[SELECTED] = "#ff0000" fg[ACTIVE] = "#ff0000" } widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view" #panel icon improvement style "panel" { xthickness = 0 ythickness = 0 } widget_class "*Panel*"      style "panel" widget "*Panel*"            style "panel" class "*Panel*"             style "panel" </blockquote></div> OK, so how about this: one person picks a GTK theme, an icon theme and whatnot. Once those are selected (such as Unity as the GTK theme), report a bug on xubuntu-default-settings requesting it to be set. That way, it ends up on the todo-list instead of being lost in the mailinglist archives. Anything else you need done but can't do yourself: also report them. I'd say Launchpad is the best place for this. What do you think? -- Vincent </div>