<div>On 06/02/2008, Robert McWilliam <<a href="mailto:rmcw@allmail.net">rmcw@allmail.net</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> > i see a lot of people (a lot in this case means the majority from the posts i > have read on this list) wanting back lightweight programs... and i see a few > (or one) who wants to go all out with xUBUNTU Not to pick on anyone but the argument that using apps from Ubuntu is just turning Xubuntu into Ubuntu is ludicrous. Xubuntu *is* based on Ubuntu, there is a huge amount of stuff in common. The discussion is about where the balance should be between reusing the Ubuntu stuff and using stuff from else where. We might get somewhere if we can all stick to discussing that rather than taking everything that is said and extrapolating to illogical conclusions :)</blockquote> <div> You know, this made me think about my own situation. When I was yet younger I tried my very best to be different to my brother. In the end, however, I realized that, though we do have _a lot_ in common, there's also a whole world of difference between us. I am not my brother, nor is he me. The same holds true for Xubuntu. Though Xubuntu 7.10 has a lot of common with Ubuntu, there still is a whole world of difference. I installed my mother Ubuntu and have been using it a bit myself, and I notice that I still greatly prefer the cleanness of Xubuntu. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Robert</blockquote><div> <div>On 05/02/2008, Ghostvirus <<a href="mailto:theghostvirus@gmail.com">theghostvirus@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Feb 5, 2008 5:03 PM, Jani Monoses <<a href="mailto:jani@ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jani@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <div class="gmail_quote"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> You go and improve Xfce. I have tried during dapper and after and have given up. Most of the devs don't care about timely releases and users as they work for fun mostly. You're ridiculously misguided if you think that improving Xfce and writing everything from zero is easier than reusing existing apps and improving them instead , and you are ready to risk users' experience because you're on a mission to fix Xfce. </blockquote> </div> This is getting ridiculous. If you think Xfce is so bad that it has to be patched up with various bits of GNOME, why are you even working on an Xfce-based adaption of Ubuntu? If you think the Xfce devs are lazy about fixing bugs and putting out new releases, why are you not working for GNOME instead?</blockquote><div> It's not that the Xfce developers are lazy, it's - as you said - that they have far fewer developers and mainly work for fun, which just means that not all apps are up to scratch. Indeed, they cannot respond too bugs and user requests at GNOME's rate, however, that is no reason to use their applications. Xfce4-taskmanager is certainly not as full-featured as gnome-system-monitor - for one, it's far easier when writing guides to be able to tell people where they can find the version of Xubuntu that's installed (*without* entering a terminal command). Sometimes, applications that happen to have "gnome" in their name and are also used by GNOME *are* better than their Xfce counterparts. Therefore, it is not warranted not to consider the inclusion of those apps solely motivated by the name. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Xfce has far fewer developers and users than GNOME does. They can't possibly respond to bugs and user requests at the same rate the GNOME devs do. If you dislike this, move to GNOME. I'm curious as to why you have any interest in Xfce at all, at this point. </blockquote></div></div> </div> -- Vincent