Hi, i see your point :) i just thought that as fluxbuntu is based on ubuntu (and is light and responsive) that xubuntu could do it too... i guess the main reason why it seems like a sacrilege to move towards gnome is that i left gnome to have a lighter/faster desktop with xfce, and now it seams that the gnome is following my steps :) i just hope that you keep providing people with alternatives and make xubuntu rock once again. kaspar <div>On 31/01/2008, Jani Monoses <<a href="mailto:jani@ubuntu.com">jani@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi Kaspar, thanks for the feedback, no problem if you 'jump in' :) Kaspar Kööp wrote: > i'm sorry to come into between you two, but i have also felt the > responsiveness i got out of my old lappy, slip between my fingers when > running the xubuntu gutsy... it used to be so smooth and fast... now it > hogs... as in fresh install hog... therefore i have moved my lappy to > something lighter (fluxbuntu) > > i understand what Jerome is saying... and i also understand why Jani > needs numbers to back it down... but how can i back down what i say with > numbers, how could i explain what i feel using xubuntu every day? i love > xubuntu... but i have to say the responsiveness has gone from it > > why not the developers (before changing the programs) run some > benchmarks and get values that are really acceptable, so we (the users) > could see that the change in programs will not effect the overall > responsiveness. > > Jani, you need to defend your approach, i understand, but please, > honestly, don't you miss the fast-xubuntu we used to have? or are your > computers all too new and fast to see the difference? > Actually I feel the slowdown too and I am sorry to feel it. But the thing is, it does not come from the apps we changed. Those were in large part apps that you run once do you task and close them. I would understand if you said that switching back to xscreensaver you got a noticably faster desktop start, or that managing arhives with file roller became slower after swicthing from xarchive, but you seem to feel the general sluggishness. And that is due to Ubuntu's base system slowness coming from a variety of reasons: there are now python initscripts started for hplip, GTK itself and X may be less responsive than the versions before, font rendering may be slower etc. One of the things which was our choice is running the printer GUI daemon but that, as the other additions to recent Xubuntu can be either uninstalled or removed form the startup app list. Let me repeat this, I am not saying there is no slowing down, I feel it too, have been saying it for a while, and I have done a lot of specific patches during the past two years to GNOME apps to get them slimmer. However the problems many times lie elsewhere. If you really thought fluxbuntu is slimmer it means you picked a different environment altogether, whereas if only my GNOME apps choices are the ones that ruin the show you could have kept Xfce core and be happy. But if Xfce is slow with the non-GNOME apps thrown in than it's not entirely the GNOME apps fault. Jani -- xubuntu-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> </blockquote></div>