<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 10, 2007 10:57 PM, jmak <<a href="mailto:jozmak@gmail.com">jozmak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div class="Wj3C7c">> Jozsef, > > I really feel that you are letting your personal preference play way too big > a role in this issue. Xfce's panels *where* designed to be able to be used > the way Xubuntu uses them now. It is far from obvious to me why it cannot > function properly in this layout. I *do* see why a dock-arrangement would be > a source of trouble to new users ( i.e. they have to guess an application's > function by its icon). I also don't see why upstream would want us to use > that arrangement. > </div></div>In fact, gnome is my favorite desktop environment. But gnome panels are sophisticated and working. XFCE panels are not yet. The icons wont scale properly, some stretching the panels, some have to much padding around them, and so on, as it was explained by others in the previous posts.  AT the current state xfce is to crude to be considered as an elegant solution for gnome like layout. Why one wants to force a lame solution on something that is in other instances work quite well. This is all I am saying.  When 4.6 comes out we still can go back to the gnome design and try it out. Even gnome has various layouts, suse uses kde like panel, ubuntu and fedora the original designs. So the world wont fold over us if we try out a different design once. </blockquote></div> In my opinion the benefits of the current layout far outweigh those of having a temporary workaround for the icon size issue, and is far more in line with Xubuntu's goal. If Radomir's suggestion would be feasible that would be best, I think. We could have the current design by default so new users can easily find their way around, and allow for easily changing the layout to the dock-setup for those that already know their way around the system. In fact, this idea has been discussed for Ubuntu too [1] so it would be interesting to see if Xubuntu could get something like that. [1] <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PanelSwitcher">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PanelSwitcher </a> -- Vincent