<div>On 09/08/07, Hexzenn <<a href="mailto:hexzenn@gmail.com">hexzenn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 8/9/07, Vincent <<a href="mailto:imnotb@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">imnotb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div> Hello list, Recently I have been working with the Epiphany browser a bit, and I must say: it's not bad. Now with the discussion on including Gnome dependencies the idea occurred to me that perhaps it would be a good idea to replace Firefox with Epiphany. I know this has been discussed before, and I'm not really counting on it happening, but I wanted to give it some thoughts again, because if we are to include Gnome dependencies, the barrier to including Epiphany would be lower. In fact, it would be a way of staying quite light-weight, while still being able to include perhaps more functional apps (though I prefer Xarchiver to the sluggish file-roller, taking the minor interface issues for granted). Firstly, what is the reason for us to use Firefox by default? What exactly do we require of a default web browser? I suppose it needs to at least be able to browse the web. True, Epiphany perhaps has less features than Firefox, but it does have most of the basics. Furthermore, it has two benefits over Firefox:  1) It's faster  2) It integrates better with the rest of the desktop (though Firefox already does a pretty good job for such a multi-platform application) I guess when one prefers Firefox over Epiphany, this is because of Firefox's many extensions (at least it can't be because of the tabs or the fact that it's open source ;-). However, when someone is of the type to find and install extensions himself, he probably is also perfectly able (and willing) to install Firefox himself. So, I'd like to hear everybody's thoughts and perhaps more reasons to include one browser or another by default. Thanks, -- Vincent </div>-- xubuntu-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com </a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> </blockquote></div> I can't think of any compelling reasons to package Epiphany by default over Firefox.</blockquote><div> Well, I mentioned speed (which I guess should be compelling for Xubuntu) and integration with the rest of the desktop. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Most users prefer Firefox, and Kubuntu not packaging Firefox by default is a problem many Kubuntu users have with a fresh install. One of the first things every Kubuntu user I know does with a fresh Kubuntu is install Firefox. The widening support for Firefox and extensions like NoScript and Adblock Plus (among others) are why I choose Firefox over alternatives.</blockquote><div> Support for Firefox means support for Epiphany since they both use the same rendering engine (though this wouldn't be the case if Epiphany were to be using WebKit, but then again, that would make it even faster), and if you don't mind installing extensions then installing Firefox won't be too much extra trouble too. But it's nice to know it's being considered for Gutsy. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hexzenn -- xubuntu-devel mailing list <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> </blockquote></div> -- Vincent