<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/19/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">jmak</b> <<a href="mailto:jozmak@gmail.com">jozmak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><br><br><div></div><div><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/19/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Vincent</b> <<a href="mailto:imnotb@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> imnotb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><br><br><div></div><div><span><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/19/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">jmak</b> <<a href="mailto:jozmak@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> jozmak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><br><br><div></div><div><span><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/19/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Vincent</b> <<a href="mailto:imnotb@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> imnotb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>I'd say it's best if we show we are based on the same. After all, the names end in *buntu for a reason - they're similar, so why shouldn't the artwork be?</div></blockquote></span></div><div><div><br>Here, one of the ideas is to develop a personality for the distro. That both ubuntu and xubuntu have the same underlying code base doesn't mean that they should be lookalikes. Brothers and sisters have a similar genetic make up, yet most of the time, they develop distinct personalities. </div></div></div></blockquote></span></div><div><div><br>Sure, I didn't say artwork should be the same, however, rough bases can be. Though just a different colourscheme would suffice for me too.<br>My brother and me have really different personalities, but we also have a lot of things in common. <br></div></div><div><span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><div>The other thing is functionality. Using different visuals for the desktop can aid users accomplish their tasks more efficiently. </div></div></div></blockquote></span></div><div><div><br>What do you mean exactly here?</div></div></div></blockquote></span></div><div><div><br> Oh, here I was thinking about the gtk themes. For instance, it is essential that the visible structures (buttons, dialogs and so forth) have clear and easily identifiable states. Otherwise users can get confused. For instance, the various button states have to be clear and easily recognizable; the same with the selected menu items; the text and the backgrounds are often similar in tones making readability difficult. Did you know that about 10% of the male population is color blind? Mostly for the warm colors. These people have a hard time differentiate between warm yellowish tones and blue. <br>Maybe these things sound marginal but research shows that in fact, they are very important elements that designers have to take into account all the time.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Of course, but surely the Ubuntu artwork people keep this in mind too? I'm not saying we should copy the Ubuntu artwork, I'm proposing to use the same style, maybe only change colours (keeping in mind the reasonal proportion of colour-blind people of course). <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><div>J. Mak</div></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10bedbf946677276_3"> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><div>Look and feel has marketing value as well. A well thought out interface helps the product stick out from the crowd. It can make it attractive among users. Think about the first imacs. It was those garish colors that made them hip among consumers creating that buying craze that, in fact, helped Apple escaping from bankruptcy. <br><br>I hope this has clarified some of the reasons behind the idea. But there are many others as well.<br><br>J. Mak<br> <br></div></div><div><span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/19/06, <b class="gmail_sendername"> j Mak </b> <<a href="mailto:joz_mak@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">joz_mak@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> <div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><pre><font size="3">Hi all,</font> <font size="3">On the art mailing list there is a debate has been going on about the future directions<br>of the various ubuntu flavors, in terms of look and feel. Some suggested that the flavors <br>should be somehow lined up to have a kind of similarish look. Though, these ideas are still <br><br><br><br><br>blurry but the kubuntu people have already declared that they will follow their own path, <br>independent of the ubuntu direction.</font> <font size="3"><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtworkParadigm/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtworkParadigm/</a></font> <font size="3">I've also argued that making the distros kind of similar would deprive them from developing <br>their own identity that ultimately would result boredom. I agree very much with the kubuntu <br>guys that the ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu have to develop independently, which doesn't mean <br><br><br><br><br>that certain underlying ideas shouldn't be aligned. Distinctness would have beneficial effects <br>by offering diversity and multiple looks for users. <br>So far I got positive feedback; I wonder what you guys think. <br><br><br></font> <font size="3">J. Mak<br><br><br><br></font><span><a href="http://jozmak.googlepages.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://jozmak.googlepages.com</a></span></pre><a href="http://jozmak.googlepages.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> </a> <div><br> </div></div></div></div><br>--<br>xubuntu-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com </a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Vincent<br><br><a href="http://getfirefox.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://getfirefox.com</a> </div><br>--<br>xubuntu-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br><br><br></blockquote></span></div><div></div><br> </div><br>--<br>xubuntu-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br><br><br></blockquote></span></div><div></div></div><div><span><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Vincent<br><br><a href="http://getfirefox.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://getfirefox.com</a> </span></div><br>--<br>xubuntu-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br><br><br></blockquote></span></div><div></div><br> </div><br>--<br>xubuntu-devel mailing list<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Vincent<br><br><a href="http://getfirefox.com">http://getfirefox.com</a>