hi: i am confused about something. what i did: * added a user and group called lighttpd through xubuntu-users-admin (hereafter called xua) * added a user mrelectron to the lighttpd group thru xua expectation: * mrelectron as a member of the lighttpd group will have the same access to directories and files as the lighttpd group. checking: * anytime i go into xua i can see mrelectron as a group member of lighttpd. but: * if i try and access a directory owned by group-lighttpd i get a permission denied error. troubleshooting: * running "groups" (whoami returns mrelectron) returns: "mrelectron adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin" .............i would have expected a group lighttpd * running "groups mrelectron" (whoami returns mrelectron) returns: "mrelectron : mrelectron adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin lighttpd" ..............this has the group lighttpd. so my questions are: 1. why i am having a permission denied error. 2. why do you get two different outputs from the groups and groups username command cheers mark