<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="direction: ltr;"><div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;">I think, if we would create a visible button (something I showed in the screenshot yesterday) and prevent theme creators to modify it (dont forget that most of them not visually trained) we would end up a consistent, user-friendly
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>we should not prevent anybody from messing up their desktop in any way they wish. I assume the creator of the user of screenshot you provided is happy with what she/he did.<br></div>
<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="direction: ltr;"><div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;">and always good looking desktop. By the way, following a general gnome-like design principle, doesn't mean we have to except everything slavishly and adopting even the bad ideas.
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Indeed. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="direction: ltr;"><div>
<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;">That the launchers doesn't have a button appearance is ok, because "buttonifing" the application menu would mean showing it has a priority over other items; it is the most important item on the panel, more important than the launcher icons. And you still can create a subtle rollover effect by slightly altering its color when clicking on it.
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>If it's more important or not that again depends on the user. I agree it is quite important, but that is why it is put in a quickly reachable corner (almost) by itself.<br><br>I don't think that making a button look as if it was selected when it is not is a good idea. Making it more prominent some other way may be ok , but only if it does not create a distraction during normal use.
<br>BTW how does kde do this? Any screenshots?<br><br>Jani