<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Ok, I have nothing against those goals, but the branding of Xubuntu is confusing. The 'X' is quite obviously a reference to XFCE, and the logo features the XFCE mouse. The impression people are going to get is "this is Ubuntu but with an XFCE desktop, just like Kubuntu is Ubuntu with a KDE desktop" yet Xubuntu aims to be something different, and it just happens so that XFCE is used to make Xubuntu happen. </blockquote></div> Indeed, just as ubuntu is quite different from gnome upstream and possibly even Kubuntu from KDE upstream. Most distros tweak gnome/kde and have been doing this for years so it's nothing unusual about doing the same with xfce. Jani