Hello the following items were discussed in today's meeting: 1) Default mail client: whether to install sylpheed-claws-gtk2, thunderbird or no mail client at all by default There was no definite consensus but we seemed to lean towards installing t-bird by default if we are to ship with an email program, partly because of its marginally cleaner UI but mostly because it is already in main and supported in ubuntu. Sylpheed claws is not at it's latest version in dapper and is still in universe without enough testing An idea was not installing any client at all since those who care about pop/imap/nntp surely know what their prefered app is, and xfce does not have a default mail client as gnome and kde do and which it is supposed to ship with. Still no definite decision but the installing of sylpheed claws is not as certain as it used to be (which never was 100%). 2) Status of archiver program upstream xfce/thunar is working closely with xarchiver author so this is certainly the choice for dapper 3) Spreadsheet app installed by default A gtk only version gnumeric has been in our plans since the beginning of the cycle but not much progress has been made. Only packaging needs to be done separately from gnome gnumeric, since the sources are buildable without gnome libs Since there is interest in gnumeric installed by default vs only shipped on the CD because of gnome dependencies, and because of the extra time we got we'll have another try at making gtk only packages of gnumeric and libgoffice if possible collaborating with the debian packager to avoid unnecessary divergence. 4) Decided (again) that deprecated xfce 4.2 packages should be proposed for purging from the archive to reduce user confusion. Jani