<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">i feel it can be more an xfce4-session  issue then the xinitrc itself. the problem is that all the apps you launch within the xinitrc don't depend on the script. I mean ... they are not subprocesses, if you launch let's say xfce4-panel, when you logout it's killed ... but not because xfce4-session has been terminated but because the panel can't exist without it. </blockquote></div> yes, the panel registers with the session manager so when the latter dies it sends a signal to all registered session clients. So either ivman needs to be taught about sessions or worked around some other way. I'll have to check out the autostart spec and see if that would help. Jani