On 1/9/06, daniele favara <<a href="mailto:danjele@gmail.com">danjele@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> this is the link: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nomed">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nomed</a> i'll continue writing in case you think it can be somehow useful for you. </blockquote></div> Hi Daniele this is all very nice and comprehensive, thank you! Xfce Menu: I have also thought of setting up the panel/menu as ubuntu does with gnome They use two panels actually, the top is menu + launchers + systray, while the one on the bottom is the taskbar + show-desktop icon + trash IIRC. Since the 4.4 panel can run multiple instances I think we could have a similar setup. Taskbar inside main panel clutters too much IMHO. The system menu definitely needs a reorganization it has way too many items especially the settings submenu. We should go towards a simple setup again looking at what the gnome camp does but not exagerrating ;) Having a Places menu would be great too. We need to see if maybe a new type of panel plugin can be written which would just call thunar on various items in that menu. Artwork: it makes sense having the gdm artwork in the artwork package, but I put it in settings because we'll likely have to override /etc/gdm stuff to and so we don't have two places for gdm stuff. But I am also thinking of just merging artwork in the settings package, that's what kubuntu has too. You ask 'an xfce-xubuntu splash could be needed'. I thought of this, the nice mouse in the ubuntu wheel animation is the perfect splash for xubuntu ;). But I also noticed that when splash screens are enabled startup is slower. I'd rather see if we can make the desktop start faster some way than using splashes. However if the latter is the case a xubuntu specific one would be preferable to the defaults. esetroot vs xfdesktop. I have not used esetroot so I cannot comment. What would be the advantages? I also assume you mean we still keep xfdekstop for the system menu right? Proposed apps: * monkeyd: a httpd server is outside the scope of xubuntu-desktop so we'll just let people use what they want (apache, boa whatever) especially since running a server is not going to be one of the main use cases for xubuntu. * gnome-ppx: this is again better handled as part of the ubuntu dial up spec so gnome benefits too. If it works already it would be nice to include it though, I assume there will be more need for dialup among xubuntu users than among the ones having more modern hw. * emelfm2: not in the default install, it may go on the CD. Is it mature/stable etc? We'll just have one file manager in the default install. Volume manager (ivman) I know gentoo starts ivman as an init script, while we so far do it from xinitrc. The latter means it runs with user privileges but I don't know which approach is better really. Since ivman can be told where to look for config files I imaging there can be parallel installs of xfce/fluxbox/icewm each using separate ivman configurations started by their scripts not from a system central location notification icons in the panel(systray) on devices added would be very cool. Checking out notification-daemon & co has been on my TODO list, but please take a look at it by all means. We may just have to write a similar panel plugin as gnome has which talks to the daemon through dbus. mountpoint.py : it would still be better if ivman got it right so we don't use another script in the already too complicated stack of detecting new devices and the associated work. It used to work till recently so I suspect an ivman/udev/hal misinteraction. as for camera I think gtkam or gqview are more appropriate as gthumb is gnome app. But thunar also shows image thumbnail so it's not a bad idea either. And if the cam is an usb-storage device is will just be a 'normal' new volume which thunar handles. Printer detection: I think even ubuntu has not this right yet, they are working on it. Jani