Great, I am glad we can cooperate. Naturally if we can include icewm/fluxbox as an install time option, I am all for it. I know xfce is still not as light as win95/98 and many of the targetted machines run those legacy OSes quite happily. My option for xfce was that I use it, and of the lighter environments it integrates IMHO the best with modern gtk2 apps. So it would be ok I think (not my decision) to have those alternate wms on the CD, as about offering install time selection it needs to be investigated; I know nothing about d-i and what it would take to do it, but I think it shouldn't be hard. glad to have you on board Jani PS: and yes while I don't use it I think rox-filer would be nice, we installed it as default with xfce in hoary too. <div> On 9/30/05, Colin McDermott <<a href="mailto:colmcd@optusnet.com.au">colmcd@optusnet.com.au</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi guys Naturally Ubuntu Lite would cooperate and get involved. The aim of Ubuntu Lite was to get a lite version of Ubuntu that could be used on Legacy hardware. I for one will jump across and assist this project (and don't worry we won't *ubuntu lite* it. Ubuntu lite was more an attempt to get something out there and active. If you want you can take over the domain <a href="http://www.ubuntulite.org">www.ubuntulite.org</a> go for it.) If the only option is to work with a XFCE environment then Ill move across. Though Vector linux have given their users the options of using XFCE or ICEWM or FLUXBOX on startup (with a nice checkbox saying always use this option). I think that this is preferable as from my tests Icewm and Fluxbox use substantually less memory then xfce (I got a result of 20mb of ram for xfce while 6 mb for icewm and far less for fluxbox). Having said that perhaps that is a longer term goal, and if the task is to develop XFCE first and get it working then ill go for it. If we need a blueprint to work off this came out of the Ubuntu confrence in Sydney. <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightweightDesktop">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightweightDesktop</a> It does run with ICEWM but you can replace it with XFCE. On the whole Rox-filer is the default file browser and icon manager (It is cool!) Ok what needs doing? <a href="http://www.ubuntulite.org">www.ubuntulite.org</a> -- Colin McDermott Reboot Computer Reuse centre Ubuntu Lite <a href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/ubuntu_lite"> http://groups.google.com.au/group/ubuntu_lite</a> -- xubuntu-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel"> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> </blockquote></div>