Suggestion: Replace Evince with Atril

[Stephen Kellat]

Throwing blanket assertions out there as to what is best doesn't really move this forward.  Preparing a features comparison side-by-side along with a technical rationale for making a change would.  Xubuntu doesn't often follow the zeitgeist.  Looking at the strategy documentation will help you determine, too, whether or not this is a road Xubuntu might consider going down.

Having installed the version available on 16.04, I have not noticed any immediate benefit to this package over what we have now.  A more considered case would help me understand what is to be gained.

Stephen Michael Kellat 

> On Nov 14, 2016, at 16:08, Thanos Apostolou <thanosapostolou at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Atril has epub support even if it doesn't say it in the description. It was 
> added after it was forked of evince. It had some problems with epub files at 
> the beginning, but the latest version (1.16) has been flawless for me. That 
> makes Atril the best document reader available on linux at the moment (as far 
> as gtk is concerned at least, because okular has more powerful features in my 
> opinion).
> 
>> On Δευτέρα, 14 Νοεμβρίου 2016 6:49:48 Μ.Μ. EET A. C. Censi wrote:
>> atril: MATE document viewer
>> 
>> From Mate page http://mate-desktop.com/
>> 
>> Atril
>> 
>> Atril is a simple multi-page document viewer. It can display and print
>> PostScript (PS), Encapsulated PostScript (EPS), DJVU, DVI, XPS and Portable
>> Document Format (PDF) files. When supported by the document, it also allows
>> searching for text, copying text to the clipboard, hypertext navigation,
>> and table-of-contents bookmarks. Atril is a fork of Evince.
>> 
>> A priori does not seem to be an improvement.
>> 
>> A C Censi
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <pasi at shimmerproject.org>
>> 
>> wrote:
>>> A few comments from my point of view - inline.
>>> 
>>> On 2016-11-14 16:51, Thanos Apostolou wrote:
>>>> As far as I have understood, the desired effect is to keep the ISO as
>>>> small as
>>>> possible, so some people wouldn't like it to have both software (I think
>>>> that
>>>> the latest xubuntu release didn't even include a media player).
>>> 
>>> Xubuntu was indeed shipped with a media player – Parole. No media manager
>>> was shipped, though.
>>> 
>>> There are reasons why we won't ship two document readers (for example); at
>>> any point, the most important point is that it doesn't make sense to
>>> duplicate functionality. Size is lower down the list, especially now that
>>> we aren't close to any target size that we can't cross.
>>> 
>>>  So, maybe it
>>>> 
>>>> would be better if someone of the xubuntu team could create a poll at the
>>>> facebook page https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers/?fref=ts
>>>> Since it's just a facebook page (and not a group) I think that a facebook
>>>> app
>>>> is needed in order to create a poll. Or maybe it's easier to create
>>>> something
>>>> similar at the google+ and twitter pages (I don't use them so much so I
>>>> have
>>>> no knowledge about it).
>>> 
>>> I don't think a popularity poll is the right way to figure out
>>> applications the Xubuntu team should ship with the ISOs. At least I'd
>>> value
>>> a thorough technical investigation along with a broad discussion with
>>> arguments on which application is more suitable for Xubuntu more.
>>> 
>>> That implies that discussion from the community is welcome on the subject,
>>> just not in a shouting contest kind of way (which is how polls often turn
>>> out).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ultimately, the default applications are just good defaults – as mentioned
>>> in the thread, it's easy to install (and uninstall) software. Now the hard
>>> part is to figure out what the best application is for majority of the
>>> users (or at least the biggest subgroup if no option turns out to be the
>>> best for most).
>>> 
>>> Has anybody else tried out Atril?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pasi
>>> 
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>>> 
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