[TEAM] Mailinglist setup

Thomas Molloy lderan at outlook.com
Mon May 19 16:30:56 UTC 2014

-1Agreed on the mailing list being not busy, as long as a thread can be locked to team members only that would be handy.
- Lderan

> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:40:48 +0300
> From: pasi at shimmerproject.org
> To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [TEAM] Mailinglist setup
> On 2014-05-16 19:18, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
> > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiß <simon at xfce.org> wrote:
> >> Hi Xubuntu team members,
> >>
> >> we started voting on Pasi's mailinglist-proposal (previously circulated on this list [1]) in today's community meeting [2]. So far, we haven't had enough votes for the motion to be carried or rejected, hence I'm asking you to vote here on the mailinglist. (As the topic isn't very controversial, I hope everyone is ok with public voting. If not, feel free to email me.)
> >>
> >> Just reply with +1, 0 or -1 to this thread - you can obviously also explain why you voted one or the other way.
> >> So far, we have 6 votes for the proposal and 0 against (and 0 abstained).
> > -1
> >
> > I don't see this devel list as actually *that* busy or that we get out
> > of hand with off-topic/flamey topics that often. Plus, it's sad when I
> > get a message from a list telling me my messages has been moderated
> > and I don't like discouraging folks from participating.
> >
> > Also not thrilled with the idea of being a judge of what's "important"
> > enough to let through, I tend to think it's nice that folks can use
> > this list to give feedback on default apps or correspond with us here
> > about bugs they find if they're having trouble using the tracker or
> > launchpad. It helps us get a pulse from our users about what they find
> > valuable enough to bring to the attention of developers, otherwise
> > they just whinge on social media and in blogs and we don't have a
> > great mechanism for collecting that data spread all over the place.
> I understand and empathize these comments to a certain degree.
> I do agree that the list itself isn't very high traffic, however, the 
> amount of offtopic messages in percent is, as I see it, too high. This 
> only doesn't take my (and others') time from contributing, it also 
> distracts me from ontopic messages.
> The possibility that people get discouraged from participating is the 
> single biggest negative side of the moderating I'm suggesting. While the 
> moderating will bring some exclusivity in any case, we can help make the 
> first impression better by improving the "your mail is pending" email. 
> Ultimately, all ontopic messages should get through with no problems, 
> and with a good field record, people should get their moderation flag 
> dropped.
> I guess I see the moderating in a slightly different way than you do. I 
> don't really conceive it as deciding what is "important", just what is 
> ontopic. Of course the decision is not always easy, but in that case, 
> you should probably approve the mail. Only obviously offtopic messages 
> should be declined.
> All that being said, and having made the proposal, I'm open for other 
> options as well, as long as they enable us to cut down the percentage of 
> the offtopic messages.
> Finally, the moderation I'm proposing does not have to be permanent. The 
> #xfce-dev IRC channel was moderated for some time because of the amount 
> of noise. They have since dropped the moderation, but the situation is 
> clearly better now. If a temporary moderation period helps us get the 
> results we want, it would obviously be the best solution.
> Cheers,
> Pasi
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