Upgrading Precise to Trusty

Richard Elkins richard.elkins at gmail.com
Fri Feb 7 20:52:22 UTC 2014

I should also add that the upgrade testing from 12.04.3 to
14.04.latest-at-that-time was rather pristine.  I tried both an ISO
image upgrade and one via `update-manager -c -d`.  Very predictable and
stable results.  So, a bit of documentation word-smithing in the release
notes for 14.04 may be sufficient.  I'd also like to see other Xubuntu
QA and developer folks also try out these two upgrade methods on Precise
to Trusty before April and report their testing results in the usual
place for upgrade testing:


Anyone have a different perspective?


On 02/07/2014 02:25 PM, Richard Elkins wrote:
> 12.04.4 ISO installation testing looks good from a test case
> perspective (my experience).  As stated below by Pasi, it would be
> possible to handle 12.04.4 to "12.04.5" via package updates and leave
> it alone for the most part.
> So, I'd rather see effort put in the customer migration of 12.04.x to
> 14.04 (combination of documentation, automation, and manual process). 
> Moving from current LTS to new LTS has a higher payoff for all concerned.
> Richard
> On 02/07/2014 02:09 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>> If there is enough interest and motivation from the community
>> (including people who can actually help with the SRU), it can be
>> discussed. As Jackson, I don't personally think it as a realistic
>> thing to do at the moment either.
>> Pasi
>> On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote:
>>> 4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all
>>> the way to precise
>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert
>>> <robertdohnert at gmail.com <mailto:robertdohnert at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling
>>>     piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no
>>>     pun intended, release date.  Releasing the trusty kernel through
>>>     updates would be optimal.  Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux
>>>     team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled
>>>     Ubuntu support date until 2019.  So, we may do a 14.10 stack as
>>>     our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as
>>>     well.  But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that
>>>     time.
>>>     Roberto J. Dohnert
>>>     Lead Developer
>>>     Black Lab Linux
>>>     http://www.blacklablinux.org
>>>     On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>>>>     If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release
>>>>     12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core
>>>>     after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in,
>>>>     it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates.
>>>>     I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support
>>>>     for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big
>>>>     SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat
>>>>     shortly anyway.
>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>     Pasi
>>>>     On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote:
>>>>>     FYI
>>>>>     How does this align with our planning?
>>>>>     Stephen Michael Kellat 
>>>>>     In the basement cafeteria on lunch
>>>>>     Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>     *From:* Leann Ogasawara <leann.ogasawara at canonical.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:leann.ogasawara at canonical.com>>
>>>>>>     *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST
>>>>>>     *To:* ubuntu-release at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:ubuntu-release at lists.ubuntu.com>,
>>>>>>     ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>     *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5*
>>>>>>     Hi All,
>>>>>>     With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the
>>>>>>     idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise.
>>>>>>     As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped
>>>>>>     with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware
>>>>>>     enablement purposes.  Maintainers of these enablement stacks
>>>>>>     have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement
>>>>>>     stack is supported in Precise.  Once a Trusty enablement
>>>>>>     stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL
>>>>>>     and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement
>>>>>>     stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining
>>>>>>     life of Precise.
>>>>>>     Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise.
>>>>>>      12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default.
>>>>>>      This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL
>>>>>>     in favor of the Trusty enablement stack.  Once that happens,
>>>>>>     our final point release for Precise will be delivering an
>>>>>>     EOL'd enablement stack.  This seems unfortunate and
>>>>>>     inappropriate.  I would like to propose having a 5th point
>>>>>>     release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement
>>>>>>     stack for Precise.
>>>>>>     Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional
>>>>>>     maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in
>>>>>>     Precise.  It would require some extra effort on part of the
>>>>>>     Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team
>>>>>>     to spin up an additional set of images and testing
>>>>>>     coordination etc.  However, I informally discussed this with
>>>>>>     a few members of each of those teams and the tentative
>>>>>>     agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which
>>>>>>     could be accommodated.  Collectively we could find no
>>>>>>     compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5.  We also discussed
>>>>>>     that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to
>>>>>>     participate in.  Additionally, we would want to purposely
>>>>>>     avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and
>>>>>>     would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after
>>>>>>     (exact date TBD).
>>>>>>     What are other's thoughts here?  Does anyone have a
>>>>>>     compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release?
>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>     Leann
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