default applications for natty

[Charlie Kravetz]

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On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:58:03 +0200
Pasi Lallinaho <pasi at shimmerproject.org> wrote:

> On 01/07/2011 09:51 PM, Allan Button wrote:
> > Browser choice is normally based on personal preference. Would it be
> > possible to have a first run menu that asks the end user what browser
> > they want, and what feature sets they would like?
> >
> > This may be a step backwards, but I think of centos and anaconda
> > asking me what packages I want by default. Something similar but
> > simpler could help cut down on the memory footprint. 
> >
> > For me on my laptop, I don't need printing support, but would prefer
> > firefox and thunderbird despite them being a little more memory
> > intensive. 
> >
> > I would also be happy to drop any media application, because my laptop
> > is just used for field work for my company. I used to uninstall
> > openoffice when it was included too. 
> >
> > If this menu was presented after the install, then apt could be used
> > to fetch the packages. This would free up some space on the cd, and
> > help manage the fact that chromium updates every 6 weeks.
> Yes and no. I'd like to have those packages on the CD, so that when
> you've installed the system you still don't need a CD to be able to
> install any media player etc. Not all of us have internet at our hands
> all the time, some PC's are really really rarely connected if ever.
> >
> > Allan Button
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 2011-01-07, at 12:34 PM, Micah Gersten <micahg at ubuntu.com
> > <mailto:micahg at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/07/2011 01:11 PM, Jim Campbell wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Glenn de Groot
> >>
> >> > <glenn_de_groot at hotmail.com <mailto:glenn_de_groot at hotmail.com>
> >> <mailto:glenn_de_groot at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Hello,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > here are some of my thoughts:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Chromium looks really odd and alien on linux, and Midori is
> >>
> >> > unstable, so I say stick with FF.
> >>
> >> > Claws-mail is really good and lightweight, it will be a
> >> good
> >>
> >> > thunderbird replacement.
> >>
> >> > Exaile is not bad but I like (the new) Audacious a lot.
> >>
> >> > It has a beautiful gtk interface and is the most
> >> lightweight
> >>
> >> > player I have seen.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Also, has lightdm ever been considered?
> >>
> >> > It seems to be awesome and much lighter then gdm.
> >>
> >> > Lxdm is good too.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > -Glenn
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > If you haven't seen the latest issue, Linux Journal has a
> >> quick look
> >>
> >> > at some alternate desktop environments, and the first one
> >> featured
> >>
> >> > is Xfce on Xubuntu. The primary* thing that they noted was
> >> that the
> >>
> >> > default Xubuntu install ran with 325mb of RAM used, while
> >> Ubuntu's
> >>
> >> > default RAM usage after boot-up was 328mb (by contrast,
> >> Lubuntu used
> >>
> >> > just 167mb of RAM). They actually suggested using Ubuntu
> >> with
> >>
> >> > lighter-weight apps (i.e., Installing Ubuntu and replacing
> >> Rhythmbox
> >>
> >> > with Exaile, etc.) over using Xubuntu. (Note that they
> >> didn't
> >>
> >> > *dislike* Xubuntu, but just thought it wasn't a big
> >> advantage to use
> >>
> >> > Xfce over Gnome.)
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Xubuntu may load some useful features that Lubuntu doesn't
> >> load, but
> >>
> >> > that RAM usage number is one measuring stick that people
> >> use. Would
> >>
> >> > it be worthwhile to consider any changes that might allow
> >> for lesser
> >>
> >> > memory usage at boot? I'd be willing to help with testing
> >> out
> >>
> >> > various configurations and reporting back to the group if
> >> that would
> >>
> >> > help.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Also, I went back to look at the "Should we use Chromium?"
> >> thread
> >>
> >> > from 2009, and a couple of things have changed since then .
> >> . .
> >>
> >> > Chromium is now stable (it was in beta at the time), there
> >> is a
> >>
> >> > legitimate ad-blocking extension (not just ad-hiding), and
> >> it now
> >>
> >> > allows for community translations (meaning we wouldn't be
> >> limited to
> >>
> >> > Google Chrome's default language set.). These were all
> >> larger
> >>
> >> > concerns at that time.
> >> One problem with Chromium is that there are major updates every 6
> >> weeks, so the default will be ever changing throughout the cycle.
> >> Firefox should only have one major update throughout the cycle.  Also,
> >> the Chromium debs are larger than the ones for Firefox.
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I'm indifferent on the mail application. If it means that
> >> we could
> >>
> >> > get rid of Xulrunner (which would require switching to
> >> Chromium and
> >>
> >> > Clawsmail), it might be worth considering switching to
> >> Clawsmail,
> >>
> >> > too. I think yelp uses Xulrunner, though, and yelp gets
> >> pulled in
> >>
> >> > with some of our gnome-apps, like file-roller.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Jim
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > *They also incorrectly ascribed the nice-looking theme to
> >> work by
> >>
> >> > Canonical. I'll have to write a letter to the editor about
> >> that
> >>
> >> > one. : )
> >> Yelp should be the only thing using xulrunner at the moment in Xubuntu
> >> as Firefox and Thunderbird each have their own copy.  If yelp is
> >> ported to webkit, then xulrunner can be dropped, but webkit will be
> >> pulled in.
> What about getting rid of Yelp altogether?

I am all for this, however, there are applications such as gnumeric
that depend on Yelp for their help files. Who is going to port those
help files away from yelp?


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Charlie Kravetz 
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