New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section

Scott Kitterman ubuntu at
Tue Dec 6 15:05:31 UTC 2011

On 12/06/2011 12:52 AM, Amber Graner wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at> wrote:
>> On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at> wrote:
>>>> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative).  These are other
>>>> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project.  I think it's
>>>> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
>>>> Ubuntu Server.
>>>> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
>>>> is derivative correct.
>>> Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
>>> to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others
>>> to change this.  Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
>>> section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
>>> well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
>>> Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
>>> help with encouragement, inclusion and good will.  It's like you
>>> are beating up the messenger.
>>> We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
>>> many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
>>> call them.  We were asking for your help and instead you complain
>>> about the word.  Seriously?
>> Because I find the term offensive.
>> I bring it up whenever I see it used.  I even said that I recognized he
>> was only using a term others use.
>> Why should I not bring it up?
> You're right you have the right to your opinion; however, its the tone
> of your email (just like this one) that comes across has hostile and
> confrontational. I apologize if misunderstood.
>> It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion.  If
>> you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but
>> name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know?
> Yes, but we don't make the names up, as you know.  So there is no
> sense hashing that out here. :-)   However, because you brought it up
> I will forward your issues onto Kate Stewart.
> Thanks for bringing to our attention.

I am hostile to the term as applied to Ubuntu flavors developed within
the Ubuntu project.  I'm not hostile to any of the people involved in
the discussion.  I'm sorry I communicated it in a way that felt hostile
to people.

Scott K

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