9.10 and beyond

Steve Dodier sidnioulz at gmail.com
Wed Nov 11 23:03:17 UTC 2009

I must say I agree with you, Vincent.

The criterias I take into account, for considering an application, are:

- feature parity with the current one
- ease of use / ergonomy compared to the current one
- ressource usage
- room on the CD
- freeness of the hard + recommended dependencies
- likeliness that upstream makes sure the app is cross-desktop (that's where
GNOME apps eventually fail, unfortunately).
- likeliness to be able to work with upstream (tools used / openness of
upstream / quality of relationship with upstream)

The criteria that eliminates GNOME apps de facto is rather low, so if there
is no decent alternative, then we surely should use a GNOME application, but
I don't consider them a reliable upstream for a non GNOME distribution,

Regarding web browsers, I'm using chromium and firefox almost daily, and
Chromium is not ready yet. It's in a very good shape, it's developed fast
(of course, it is funded, contrarily to Midori, so it helps), but there
still are a few things that could be better, imo (although an actual
comparison between Midori, FF and Chromium would take a VERY VERY VERY VERY
long time...).

2009/11/11 Vincent <mailinglists at vinnl.nl>

> I can't recall exactly what led to using file-roller but there's been
> length discussions about that which you can probably find in the archives.
> We're also open to alternative browsers, but it needs someone to take a look
> at that (like Steve did the previous release for e.g. media players). And
> yes, at the present time Midori really isn't stable enough, I suppose we at
> least want Christian to say it's stable :) I'd say that Chrome definitely
> should be looked at, although it's system integration isn't that good yet.
> And indeed, Chrome, too, has not yet had a stable release for Linux.
> As a side note, I'd like to emphasize that we should not look at whether
> something is a GNOME app, but to whether feature-wise, has good usability
> and, of course, performs well. This should also lead to a fast, smaller OS
> without discarding perfectly fine applications just because they fall under
> the umbrella of a particular organisation.
> That said, I do think we should check who the developers are, to avoid
> problems like the one with GDM, whose developers didn't really take
> non-GNOME environments into account with the new version.
> Best,
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Christopher David Desjardins <
> cddesjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I also was curious about the choice of file-roller instead of squeeze or
>> xarchiver? I wonder if Midori is more mature by then if it might be
>> included as well? Midori, in my testing, has been super fast. Otherwise,
>> if Google has actually released a stable version of Google Chrome by
>> 10.04, it might be nice to see Firefox replaced by Chrome on the CD.
>> Again Chrome is much faster than Firefox. I think that the less reliance
>> on GNOME apps the better, primarily because it creates a fast, smaller OS.
>> Vincent wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Steve Dodier <sidnioulz at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:sidnioulz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Hi Christophe,
>> >
>> >     While I'd like to investigate Xfburn over Brasero (but this takes
>> >     time to test the apps, make sure they work, etc, and my CD drive
>> >     kind of died), I don't think wicd can replace networkmanager, for
>> >     a very simple reason: it's GUI is really, really not intuitive and
>> >     easy to use. I haven't tested MPlayer for quite some time, but I
>> >     remember I clearly preferred Totem's GUI over the alternatives'
>> >     ones, because it was just simple and doing it's job for most basic
>> >     uses. I may one day recommend Parole over Totem, when I think it
>> >     came to feature parity, but I don't think MPlayer or VLC would be
>> >     any better for end users.
>> >
>> >
>> > Also, IIRC Mplayer includes restricted codecs, which means Xubuntu
>> > can't ship it due to legal issues. VLC uses the Qt toolkit since
>> > version one, which means it would be more suitable for e.g. Kubuntu,
>> > but not Xubuntu. And I also believe it had the same issue as Mplayer's.
>> >
>> >
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Steve Dodier
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