Jaunty Artwork
Vincent
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Sat Mar 7 18:42:22 UTC 2009
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <open at knome.fi> wrote:
> Hello Vincent and other fellow contributors.
>
> Vincent wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <open at knome.fi
> > <mailto:open at knome.fi>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jannis,
> >
> > Jannis Pohlmann wrote:
> > > On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:48:56 +0200
> > > Pasi Lallinaho <open at knome.fi <mailto:open at knome.fi>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Jim Campbell wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <open at knome.fi
> > <mailto:open at knome.fi>
> > >>> <mailto:open at knome.fi <mailto:open at knome.fi>>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello everybody,
> > >>>
> > >>> just a quick message/request for comments about artwork to
> > >>> Jaunty. We have been discussing the artwork for Jaunty in
> > >>> #xubuntu-devel lately, as
> > >>> many of you know.
> > >>>
> > >>> You can look at something ready at
> > >>> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-artwork/.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> <statements of personal impressions and preferences>
> > >>> Pasi, these are beautiful. Thank you so much for putting them
> > >>> together. My personal preference is for GDM #2, but it is not a
> > >>> strong preference. I think any one of them would be great.
> > >>>
> > >>> The wallpaper is super-great, too. :) I like how the Xubuntu
> > logo
> > >>> is so big on the page, but so nicely integrated.
> > >>>
> > >>> Have we settled on an icon, gtk, or xfwm theme yet? In regards
> to
> > >>> the GTK theme, Murrina Storm Cloud is nice looking, but it
> > seems we
> > >>> have used it for the past 3 or 4 releases. It would be nice for
> a
> > >>> change if we can find a suitable replacement. As for xfwm4
> > themes,
> > >>> I like Xfce 4.6's default xfwm4 theme.
> > >>>
> > >>> Again, great work! =)
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim
> > >>> </statements of personal impressions and preferences>
> > >>>
> > >> Hi Jim and everybody,
> > >>
> > >> here's some comments about GTK+, icon and xfwm themes.
> > >>
> > >> GTK+ THEME
> > >>
> > >> I've also talked about the GTK+ theme selection. On
> > >> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-gtk/ you can see
> > screenshots from
> > >> MurrinaStormCloud and Murrina-Tangoesque. I think *Cloud is nice
> > >> looking, but is a bit too contrasted. The contrast on
> > *Tangoesque is
> > >> fine for me, but might be too uncontrasted for many. Something
> > between
> > >> these would be perfect (that's only my opinion) - either of them
> is
> > >> fine for me otherwise.
> > >>
> > >> Both the themes have the problem that the scrollbar is *way*
> > too light
> > >> for the window borders. Maybe we can just adjust this color and
> the
> > >> color of the window borders to fit the background.
> > >>
> > >> What comes about changing a theme, we might be a bit late on the
> > >> release cycle. I also don't have any experience on GTK+ themes, so
> > >> maybe in Karmic?
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I suggest some action on this and totally want any
> feedback
> > >> and all of your opinions.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm currently using Shiki-Brave which looks very nice in
> combination
> > > with your wallpapers.
> > >
> > >
> > I suppose you are talking about the Shiki-colors at xfce-look.org
> > <http://xfce-look.org>
> > (http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=86717)? Are you
> > referring to the MurrineSVN or Clearlooks version?
> >
> > I could see this as the default theme for Xubuntu. However, my only
> > concern is that the title bars might be a little bit too tall. Also,
> I
> > personally just miss *some* kind of window borders (more than 1px
> > black).
> >
> > I suppose this theme is also not packaged for Ubuntu, so that would
> > bring in some more work.
> >
> >
> > Shiki-Brave is one of the Shiki-Colors theme, the most popular one and
> > the one that would fit the Xubuntu-style best. The advantage is that
> > we get a sorta-dark theme that fits your artwork, yet not that dark to
> > make for an unusable interface (i.e. the buttons and window content
> > and such are grey, overall).
> That is true. I've now used it for some time with my wallpaper and I
> truly have to say they fit together.
> > However, it does use Clearlooks, and I don't think we should go back
> > to using that because of speed concerns. Even though it looks
> > smashing, I'd say wait until we can use it with a stable Murrine, and
> > Murrine only.
> I don't know so much about theme engine concerns. Shiki-brave had a
> MurrineSVN version, but it didn't work at all for me.
Yeah, well, I'm no expert either. I believe Eero knew a lot about
performance, CC'ing :)
>
> > Furthermore, Shiki-Brave only comes with an Emerald theme. That means
> > a fitting xfwm4 theme would have to be made. It doesn't look like
> > that's too much work, but it would need to be packaged too, so...
> The following issue might occur just because it being an Emerald theme.
> I'm already using Shiki-brave for my theme in Xubuntu Jaunty and it
> mostly works correctly. However, for example Synaptic looks GTK1'ish, so
> it looks that the theme will have to fallback to something else
> sometimes. This is definitely bad, at least as it happens with Synaptic.
Do you have a screenshot of that?
>
>
> I talked with Cody and he said that we are unable to package anything
> for Jaunty anymore, *but* we can edit existing packages and thus get a
> new icon set (Gnome brave is still my suggestion) into Jaunty even if it
> wouldn't have its own package. I see this might definitely not be the
> right way to do things, but if it's our only shot, I think it's worth it.
Yeah I suppose so, if it can later (>Jaunty) be packaged separately. What
would it be added to? xubuntu-artwork?
>
> > Besides, another advantage of tangoesque is its not using rounded
> > corners, which supposedly makes it faster than MSC.
> This should maybe tested with a low-end PC or a virtual machine with
> little memory.
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > --
> > Pasi Lallinaho
> > Xubuntu Marketing Lead
> > Web-designer, graphic artist
> > IRC: knome @ freenode
> >
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> > --
> > Vincent
>
> Let's keep up the good conversation.
>
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> Web-designer, graphic artist
> IRC: knome @ freenode
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