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Sat Mar 7 17:36:07 UTC 2009
Hello Vincent and other fellow contributors.
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <open at knome.fi
> <mailto:open at knome.fi>> wrote:
> Hi Jannis,
> Jannis Pohlmann wrote:
> > On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:48:56 +0200
> > Pasi Lallinaho <open at knome.fi <mailto:open at knome.fi>> wrote:
> >> Jim Campbell wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <open at knome.fi
> <mailto:open at knome.fi>
> >>> <mailto:open at knome.fi <mailto:open at knome.fi>>> wrote:
> >>> Hello everybody,
> >>> just a quick message/request for comments about artwork to
> >>> Jaunty. We have been discussing the artwork for Jaunty in
> >>> #xubuntu-devel lately, as
> >>> many of you know.
> >>> You can look at something ready at
> >>> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-artwork/.
> >>> <statements of personal impressions and preferences>
> >>> Pasi, these are beautiful. Thank you so much for putting them
> >>> together. My personal preference is for GDM #2, but it is not a
> >>> strong preference. I think any one of them would be great.
> >>> The wallpaper is super-great, too. :) I like how the Xubuntu
> >>> is so big on the page, but so nicely integrated.
> >>> Have we settled on an icon, gtk, or xfwm theme yet? In regards to
> >>> the GTK theme, Murrina Storm Cloud is nice looking, but it
> seems we
> >>> have used it for the past 3 or 4 releases. It would be nice for a
> >>> change if we can find a suitable replacement. As for xfwm4
> >>> I like Xfce 4.6's default xfwm4 theme.
> >>> Again, great work! =)
> >>> Jim
> >>> </statements of personal impressions and preferences>
> >> Hi Jim and everybody,
> >> here's some comments about GTK+, icon and xfwm themes.
> >> GTK+ THEME
> >> I've also talked about the GTK+ theme selection. On
> >> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-gtk/ you can see
> screenshots from
> >> MurrinaStormCloud and Murrina-Tangoesque. I think *Cloud is nice
> >> looking, but is a bit too contrasted. The contrast on
> *Tangoesque is
> >> fine for me, but might be too uncontrasted for many. Something
> >> these would be perfect (that's only my opinion) - either of them is
> >> fine for me otherwise.
> >> Both the themes have the problem that the scrollbar is *way*
> too light
> >> for the window borders. Maybe we can just adjust this color and the
> >> color of the window borders to fit the background.
> >> What comes about changing a theme, we might be a bit late on the
> >> release cycle. I also don't have any experience on GTK+ themes, so
> >> maybe in Karmic?
> >> Anyway, I suggest some action on this and totally want any feedback
> >> and all of your opinions.
> > I'm currently using Shiki-Brave which looks very nice in combination
> > with your wallpapers.
> I suppose you are talking about the Shiki-colors at xfce-look.org
> (http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=86717)? Are you
> referring to the MurrineSVN or Clearlooks version?
> I could see this as the default theme for Xubuntu. However, my only
> concern is that the title bars might be a little bit too tall. Also, I
> personally just miss *some* kind of window borders (more than 1px
> I suppose this theme is also not packaged for Ubuntu, so that would
> bring in some more work.
> Shiki-Brave is one of the Shiki-Colors theme, the most popular one and
> the one that would fit the Xubuntu-style best. The advantage is that
> we get a sorta-dark theme that fits your artwork, yet not that dark to
> make for an unusable interface (i.e. the buttons and window content
> and such are grey, overall).
That is true. I've now used it for some time with my wallpaper and I
truly have to say they fit together.
> However, it does use Clearlooks, and I don't think we should go back
> to using that because of speed concerns. Even though it looks
> smashing, I'd say wait until we can use it with a stable Murrine, and
> Murrine only.
I don't know so much about theme engine concerns. Shiki-brave had a
MurrineSVN version, but it didn't work at all for me.
> Furthermore, Shiki-Brave only comes with an Emerald theme. That means
> a fitting xfwm4 theme would have to be made. It doesn't look like
> that's too much work, but it would need to be packaged too, so...
The following issue might occur just because it being an Emerald theme.
I'm already using Shiki-brave for my theme in Xubuntu Jaunty and it
mostly works correctly. However, for example Synaptic looks GTK1'ish, so
it looks that the theme will have to fallback to something else
sometimes. This is definitely bad, at least as it happens with Synaptic.
I talked with Cody and he said that we are unable to package anything
for Jaunty anymore, *but* we can edit existing packages and thus get a
new icon set (Gnome brave is still my suggestion) into Jaunty even if it
wouldn't have its own package. I see this might definitely not be the
right way to do things, but if it's our only shot, I think it's worth it.
> Besides, another advantage of tangoesque is its not using rounded
> corners, which supposedly makes it faster than MSC.
This should maybe tested with a low-end PC or a virtual machine with
> Pasi Lallinaho
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