jannis at xfce.org
Wed Jun 3 14:28:29 UTC 2009
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:49:55 +0200
"Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)" <jonathan at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Hi Jannis
> Jannis Pohlmann wrote:
> > There are several reasons for this. One is time and another is a gap
> > between the Xubuntu leadership and us Xfce developers that became
> > visible at the UDS in Barcelona and that makes me feel uncomfortable
> > with this position. I won't go into details here but I feel that I'm
> > better off putting all my energy into Xfce for now.
> I happened to be in one of the last sessions that the Xfce/Xubuntu
> guys had at the UDS, I wasn't participating but just listened. I got
> the impression that the Xubuntu and Xfce guys had a really good
> relationship with each other and that their discussions were
> positive. I was very impressed with Cody's style and how he explained
> some of the Ubuntu methodologies around wiki use, etc to the Xfce
> developers (I'm not sure if one of them were you).
Your launchpad portrait looks familiar ;)
I don't want to turn this into a public discussion, nor a rant or
anything. Just take my mail as it is. Let me just add this: UDS was
really, really great for Xfce. Cody and Canonical made that possible
and I'm very thankful for that.
As for the Ubuntu methodologies ... I'm no fool. I know the benefits of
open processes and I think they are essential. Discussing whether the
access to an in-progress document draft should be restricted or not is
a sheer waste of time. And that's what you listened to.
Seriously, we Xfce developers have experience and we do things the way
we do it for a reason (sometimes historical reasons, which people have
to understand first). Sometimes educational behaviour doesn't change
our opinion because we've made a decision following our own reasoning.
And in that case you have to leave it alone and trust us. You can't
always apply your methodologies to other projects and communities. But
you can still cooperate just fine if you know that.
> > I'll still hang out in the Xubuntu IRC channels and I can even
> > imagine returning to Xubuntu later. In the meantime, I'll
> > concentrate on what's important: making Xfce better.
> Well, thanks for the work that you've done, Xfce is a really nice
> system and I'm glad that you'll still stay involved. I'm not active
> within Xubuntu because of other things in Ubuntu that I have to give
> attention to right now, but I care about the project and use Xubuntu
> in plenty of deployments in my day job. I just want you to know that
> I think what you do is important and it's appreciated, I guess users
> don't often tell you enough!
Oh, they do! ;)
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