seed changes

Lionel Le Folgoc mrpouit at
Tue Feb 12 13:22:17 UTC 2008

Jani Monoses a écrit :
> I fail to see the logic in that, probably because there is none. Any 
> leader of a project has to justify or at least explain what is behind 
> his decisions. Otherwise I could just as publicly state that I am back 
> and we can start a pointless and long fight if none of the sides wishes 
> to back up its positions. As a user of Xubuntu I demand to know why 
> these decisions were made.

Just for the record: *you* started the war by reverting the seeds
without speaking of this here first. ^_~

> So please refrain from perpetrating bogus ideas such as the above.

* I justified the changes, just re-read your mails (yeah, that could be
hard, but try, no, really, try again...):
  - gnome-screensaver has a huge security issue when xfwm4 compositing
is enabled, and thus won't be seeded in xubuntu. Since the *only* active
xubuntu bugtriager (Jérôme) resigned thanks to you, this won't be
forwarded upstream. And if you want to be useful, please don't produce a
buggy patch containing big layering violations (such as your thunar
patches) which is gonna be rejected by upstream as usual, just forward
this issue upstream...
  - gnome-mount does not integrate well with thunar/exo (double
combo-box problem for example). Same issue here, it seems you are able
to skip the explanations only to start your little war.
  - xfce4-taskmanager: not buggy anymore since I reverted your broken
upload, and it does integrate well with the rest of the xfce desktop.

That's the main changes, and I already justified them.

We already agreed on some other changes:
* gnome-games: I'll put them back when you stop playing with the seeds
* squeeze/file-roller: squeeze is currently broken, so I'll put back

But, I say it again, I'm just repeating what I wrote in previous mails
(which you probably skipped on purpose).

> This being said, if I get no clear answers and truly open development 
> I'll take this before the Ubuntu Community Council and ask everyone 
> involved to attend. This is not just about Xubuntu, it is about ignoring 
> fundamental principles of open development that govern the Ubuntu community.

Whoa, you are kidding, right? But please do it, I guess that'll be funny.

Some random points:

* open development process: coming from you, that's only a huge
mascarade. May I remind you that you _never_ listened to Gauvain and I,
even when we were taking car of all the packaging stuff? It seems you
have the ability to ignore people who do not agree with you (especially
when we talk about upstream)...

* support: same here, you never supported any xubuntu release. You
haven't even touched an xfce package for ten months, except to broke
xfce4-utils screensaver support in gutsy. Security-support? LOL. I did
the only xubuntu security upload ever (xfce4-terminal). Actually, there
are two CVE waiting for you (2007-6531 and 2007-6532). But one more
time, you prefer mailing stupid things rather than helping me.

Thus let's go before the Motu Council if you want (xfce is in universe
now, so this should be raised at first before the motu council and not
the Community Council imho).

You are just gonna waste everyone's time: xubuntu iso are still
completely broken, no more bug triaging occurred since, no time for
security-support, thank you very much!

This is my last mail on this ML until you keep on "perpetrating bogus
ideas" (sic). See you on the motu-council thread.


Lionel Le Folgoc -
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