jani at ubuntu.com
Mon Feb 11 18:04:56 GMT 2008
> If Xubuntu does not have long term support, please explain this excerpt
> from the xubuntu.org website:
> <http://www.xubuntu.org/get#gutsy>Version 7.10, codename /Gutsy Gibbon/,
> is the latest stable release. It will receive security updates until
> April 2009.
> <http://www.xubuntu.org/get#dapper>Version 6.06, codename /Dapper
> Drake/, is the latest stable release with /Long Term Support/. It will
> receive security updates until June 2009.
LTS only applies to Ubuntu and sometimes Kubuntu . AFAIK not even
Kubuntu 8.04 is going to be a LTS.
Whatever support there is for Xubuntu is a consequence of being based on
Ubuntu, the Xubuntu apps updates are not handled by Canonical devs and
have no LTS guarantees. It may be called LTS but it has no practical
meaning for the non-base system and non-GNOME/X apps, exactly the ones I
advocate keeping, so Xubuntu would in practice actually be closer to LTS.
I hope that clears it.
>> 2) If you actually cared about support and maintainability you'd agree
>> with me that apps that have been tested for years in GNOME and are part
>> of Xubuntu in 7.10 have actually a much better chance of being long term
>> supported than apps put in because they are made by people affiliated
>> with Xfce and are bringing no advantage to the table.
> I do care about using apps that actually work
Right, and the ones I picked in 7.10 were picked because they worked
better than the alternatives (xarchiver, xscreensaver, xfmedia, etc)
I am pretty sure that squeeze does not work better than file-roller but
it was put in now.
> I dont agree with some of the app choices for 7.10 but that is remedied
> on a per app basis after install
Exactly so I do not know what th fuss was about having to remove
xubuntu-desktop. The GNOME apps were entirely optional, unlike the ones
pushed in as hard dependencies now.
> My problem is the way you waltz back to the project, make changes, and
> say "Oh, by the way, I wiped out all traces of your work for the past 3
> months. If you want them back in, prove they are worth it"
I could just as well say, "guys you wiped many traces of may work of the
past 2 and a half years". ( I started working on Xfce packages for
Ubuntu in March 2005). How does that sound? I left Xubuntu because lack
of time but also because finally I was happy with its state as far as
app selection and stability were concerned.
And yes I think any changed need to be proven worthwhile regadless if I
am waltzing back or not.
And unlike Lionel who made these changes without notifying the list even
after the fact, I did the change after writing here and having been
ignored for a couple of days.
I do not think that doing most of the work entitles someone to do
anything, that was not why I took the decisions back then: it was
because I explained them and had no counterarguments.
Look at Ubuntu, do you think the direction of the distro is made based
on number of bugs closed or packages uploaded? No, it is made by
talking, figuring out goals and acting on them. We do not have such a
formal proces, but talking is a must in our case as well.
thanks for writing a more thoughtful mail this time.
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