Xubuntu's goals

Charlie Kravetz cjk at teamcharliesangels.com
Wed Feb 6 00:49:37 UTC 2008

On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 22:26 +0200, Jari Rahkonen wrote:
> Arthur H. Johnson II wrote:
> > Vincent wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Another branch off, regarding Xubuntu's goals.
> >>
> >> I've asked this in the past, and then I was told that Xubuntu's goal 
> >> was user-friendliness.
> >>
> >> However, with the recent discussion, it seems that Xubuntu's primary 
> >> goal could also be either to create a light-weight distribution, or to 
> >> promote Xfce.
> >>
> >> I'd like some clarity on this whole issue, and I'd prefer to hear from 
> >> the main developers (packagers) what they have in mind regarding 
> >> Xubuntu. If the goals have changed considerably, perhaps it is time 
> >> for me to look for another distribution that does suit my needs, and 
> >> Xubuntu could really start focusing on this one specific group. IMHO a 
> >> bit of clarity would make life easier for everyone and the best for 
> >> the project that is Xubuntu, too.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Vincent 
> > I think the focus should be on making Xubuntu the lightweight 
> > Ubuntu-like distro, as well as promoting Xfce.  In other words, I feel 
> > that Xfce is the perfect tool to unite all the low-calorie applications 
> > together.
> > 
> > Being user friendly should take a back seat to bringing Ubuntu to 
> > platforms like old laptops, UMPCs, or making hardware with limited 
> > resources like new again.
> > 
> How about following the Xfce philosophy of "[aiming] to be fast and
> lightweight, while still being visually appealing and easy to use"[1].
> Personally I use Xfce solely because I find it less of a hindrance to my
> work flow than the competition (read: GNOME and KDE) on both modern and
> older systems.
> We don't need another Ubuntu, so let's prefer and promote Xfce apps
> where applicable, but let's also keep in mind that even Xfce doesn't
> want to sacrifice usability and aesthetics to work on every piece of
> antique hardware out there, so neither should Xubuntu.
> - Jari
> [1] http://www.xfce.org/about/
As a user and seldom a tester, I have followed these discussions with
some amazement. The first time I tried Xubuntu on my old 400Mhz cpu
machine, I was amazed at the speed at which it loaded and ran
applications. I loved the colors, clean panels, and most apps. 

I did not find everything easy to use and change, nor did I expect to.
It seemed to be a great desktop, but more advanced than Ubuntu with
Gnome was. It ran fast, which meant to me that I would have to work a
little harder to learn how to manipulate what I wanted to get the
changes I wanted. That was fine. You get _what you pay for_, right?

I have since promoted Xubuntu every chance I get, even when some would
dispute the idea that no version of ubuntu could be run on older
hardware with small memory and slow cpu´s. That got me in trouble a
couple of times, but, so what. I know a good OS when I use it. I am
sorry to see what is now happening. If the current issues result in a
split just because people have different opinions, that would be a very
wrong thing! That would mean a lot of effort goes wasted, and a lot of
processes start over. That also means users like me get left out in the
cold again. Do we stay at version 6.01 or 7.10? 

Please find a common ground again. I know all of you guys worked
together at one time. There must be a way to set aside differences and
strive once again for a common goal. If you must insist on differences,
perhaps Jim Campbell has the right idea, with his suggestions to set up
separate test cases. 
  What can we do?  Can we create test cases for possible app inclusion?
Would there be individuals willing to test particular apps head-to-head
in VM's and report back on their findings?  I'm a bit inexperienced in
this regard, but are their app testing tools that can measure the
performance and resource usage of a particular application and its
dependencies?  This could be something where we can have a set window of
time to propose new applications, a set window of time to test them and
report back . . . etc.

I do not know the answers, nor do I have the experience to do this, but
I could assist in this with guidance. Let me know, but you have to stay
together, I think. 

Thanks if you read this. It is just my .02 cents(US) worth.

Charlie Kravetz 
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