jmak jozmak at
Sun Aug 3 16:52:22 UTC 2008

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Vincent <mailinglists at> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:36 PM, jmak <jozmak at> wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Vincent <mailinglists at> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM, jmak <jozmak at> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Here the point is: everything has a certain logic, regardless of the
>> >> circumstances. If you build a house, you cannot start with the roof,
>> >> but with the foundations, walls and so forth. If someone insists of
>> >> building the roof first, you know that this person has never built a
>> >> house before. But this can be rectified by explaining to him that the
>> >> right way building the house is by starting with the foundation. If
>> >> insists, you wont waiste your time on the project. This is the case
>> >> with graphic artists, they come, look around, register what's going on
>> >> make a few sensible recommendations and when see that nothing happens
>> >> they leave. I think many would stay if they could meaningfully
>> >> contribute to the project.
>> >
>> > OK, in general, I think we agree with you. However, what is your
>> > proposed
>> > solution? Who should do what? Who is currently doing what wrong? We
>> > don't
>> > just need a description of the problem, but also a proposed solution to
>> > make
>> > progress. I can't think of any.
>> >
>> Ok, here is the plan.
>> The most important thing would be to fix the usplash; if nobody on
>> this list can help with this, I will write to the maintainer, maybe he
>> can give me some clues about the solution.
>> Next decide on the icon theme. This we can do it right now.
>> The next thing would be deciding on the gtk theme. I recommend using a
>> flat design. To make things as smooth as possible, I recommend Unity.
>> This is a good compromise. It is already packaged and is in the Ubuntu
>> repository. Cimi is also working on brand new murrina engine and
>> themes, but it is not sure that will be ready for October. He said
>> that he will release them in September, but this is just a tentative
>> schedule. If the new murrina will come out we will replace unity with
>> murrina because they look topnotch. If not we are going to stick with
>> unity.  Jim is also working on something. Lets see what he will come
>> up with.
> I'd say use Unity, even if the new Murrine arrives before October, then
> perhaps ship it for 9.04 when it's well-tested.
>> We can theme the panel only after deciding on the gtk theme because it
>> should reflect its color scheme. But we  can fine-tune the icon theme
>> by improving the icons appearance on the panel and removing label
>> backgrounds right away.
>> I've already published a version of the gdm but that is not the final
>> version. I've already created an improved version with text color
>> fixes of the login box; I also modified a bit the logo and the
>> background that will be the same as the wallpaper. Because nobody
>> reported any bugs (other than the text color) I assume that it works
>> ok.
>> And lastly, the wallpaper, which can wait until the more important
>> fixes will be implemented.
>> This is the code used to fix the icon appearance on the panel and
>> clean up the labels. We can fine-tune the text color later. And we can
>> add color to the panel when the gtk theme will be decided upon.
>> #label transparency
>> style "xfdesktop-icon-view" {
>> XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0
>> base[NORMAL] = "#00ff00"
>> base[SELECTED] = "#5050ff"
>> base[ACTIVE] = "#0000ff"
>> fg[NORMAL] = "#ffffff"
>> fg[SELECTED] = "#ff0000"
>> fg[ACTIVE] = "#ff0000"
>> }
>> widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view"
>> #panel icon improvement
>> style "panel"
>> {
>> xthickness = 0
>> ythickness = 0
>> }
>> widget_class "*Panel*"      style "panel"
>> widget "*Panel*"            style "panel"
>> class "*Panel*"             style "panel"
> OK, so how about this: one person picks a GTK theme, an icon theme and
> whatnot. Once those are selected (such as Unity as the GTK theme), report a
> bug on xubuntu-default-settings requesting it to be set. That way, it ends
> up on the todo-list instead of being lost in the mailinglist archives.
> Anything else you need done but can't do yourself: also report them. I'd say
> Launchpad is the best place for this. What do you think?

Sounds good to me. But we still haven't decided on the new icon theme.

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