Side effect of making xubuntu-devel a member of xubuntu-team

Jim Campbell jwcampbell at
Wed Apr 30 17:42:53 UTC 2008

On 4/27/08, Jelle de Jong <jelledejong at> wrote:
> Vincent wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Eero Tamminen <oak at
> > <mailto:oak at>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi,
> >
> >     On Saturday 26 April 2008, Jelle de Jong wrote:
> >      > > As someone who has focused primarily on the documentation, I
> >     find the
> >      > > deluge of bug reports on the mailing list a little
> >     overwhelming.  And I
> >      > > think it also increases the signal-to-noise ratio for
> >     discussions on
> >      > > the list - it makes it easier for a discussion to get lost.
> >      > >
> >      > > I'd be willing to take myself off of the Xubuntu team list if
> >     others
> >      > > want to keep things this way, but  I'd prefer to not receive bug
> >      > > reports from xubuntu-devel.
> >      >
> >
> >
> >     Maybe there could be a separate xubuntu-bugs mailing list?
> >
> >
> > I was just going to suggest this myself, so a +1 from me.
> I don't see any reason why not to do this are there any? It will thinks
> more cleaner. so +1 for me to.
> Jelle

Regarding the bugs mailing list . . .  I'm indifferent (and I don't mean
that in a bad way).  I'm ok with being able to contribute to documentation,
but just find it annoying for every Xubuntu bug report to come into my
mailbox when I want to focus on docs.  What if someone wants to contribute
to artwork or the website - should they have to see a bug report for xfwm4
crashing?  Maybe Jani, Cody, and Lionel don't like all of the artwork and
other non-core-dev related discussions on the devel mailing list, and they
prefer things this way.

I can see the need to be notified of bug reports for Xubuntu testing/QA,
packaging, and seed management . . .  but documentation, artwork and
community-building/website/marketing folks shouldn't need to see every
report.  Maybe create a xubuntu-core-dev (or xubuntu-qa) mailing list for
testers, packagers, and seed managers?  Or maybe create a
xubuntu-devel-discuss list for less technical development discussions?
Maybe people like Cody, Lionel, Jani, Jerome, and others like having the bug
reports come through, but no other team does things this way, and it doesn't
seem to be an optimal solution to me.  I don't think that creating an email
filter is a good solution, either.

Cody had preposed the following, "Or we could either remove xubuntu-dev from
xubuntu-team or remove the contact address (this mailing list) from
and I haven't heard discussions of those options.  I assume that making one
of those moves would stop the bug reports from feeding to the mailing list,
but I'm not sure.

I don't intend for this to discourage people from working on bugs and fixing
things, and part of me does see how doing this helps us to see how many bug
reports are actually coming in, but another part of me says that I have
limited time to spend on Xubuntu and need to be able to focus on the areas
that require my work.

I'm open to input on this, of course.  We've had things going like this for
over a month now . . . what do people think?

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