xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 25, Issue 10
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> 1. Considering Totem instead Gxine (Jani Monoses)
> 2. Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine (Vincent)
> 3. Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine (Jani Monoses)
> 4. Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine (Vincent)
> 5. Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine (Jani Monoses)
> 6. Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine (Giuseppe Torelli)
> 7. Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine (Robert McWilliam)
> 8. Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine (Ghostvirus)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:13:48 +0200
> From: Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
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> Hello,
>
> I have been thinking lately of switching over to Totem for the following
> reasons besides the generic ones that were mentioned in the GNOME apps
> thread.
>
> - it is friendlier than gxine
> - we get another package co-maintained with Ubuntu lessening our bug
> triage
> - its dependencies are in already (although that was not a maneuver to
> get here!)
> - according to the threads here and the forum poll, gxine seems to be
> one of the top apps that are being switched out from a default install.
> The alternative is usually vlc or mplayer but we cannot include those
> - has a nicer firefox plugin
>
> Totem can use either gstreamer or libxine as a backend, here are the
> pros and cons I know
>
> totem-gstreamer
> - gstreamer is the one used in Ubuntu so the maintenance argument applies
> - gstreamer has integrated the codec wizard that downloads missing
> codecs when a certain media being played needs them
> - pidgin in xubuntu already depends on libgstreamer
>
> totem-xine
> - we keep the same functionality as with gxine only with a nicer GUI
> - has better DVD support than gstreamer
>
>
> well thought out and constructive comments welcome, regardless of their
> being for or against this change :)
>
> thanks
> Jani
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:45:16 +0200
> From: Vincent <imnotb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: "Xubuntu Development Discussion" <xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> <749ebd440709140645m74bdaf59of074842033e11b66 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On 14/09/2007, Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been thinking lately of switching over to Totem for the following
> > reasons besides the generic ones that were mentioned in the GNOME apps
> > thread.
> >
> > - it is friendlier than gxine
> > - we get another package co-maintained with Ubuntu lessening our bug
> > triage
> > - its dependencies are in already (although that was not a maneuver to
> > get here!)
> > - according to the threads here and the forum poll, gxine seems to be
> > one of the top apps that are being switched out from a default install.
> > The alternative is usually vlc or mplayer but we cannot include those
> > - has a nicer firefox plugin
> >
> > Totem can use either gstreamer or libxine as a backend, here are the
> > pros and cons I know
> >
> > totem-gstreamer
> > - gstreamer is the one used in Ubuntu so the maintenance argument
> > applies
> > - gstreamer has integrated the codec wizard that downloads missing
> > codecs when a certain media being played needs them
> > - pidgin in xubuntu already depends on libgstreamer
> >
> > totem-xine
> > - we keep the same functionality as with gxine only with a nicer GUI
> > - has better DVD support than gstreamer
> >
> >
> > well thought out and constructive comments welcome, regardless of their
> > being for or against this change :)
>
>
> Even if Totem would be found unsuitable, using an alternative for Gxine is
> a
> good idea in my opinion, I don't think *anyone* actually uses it...
>
> Anyway, I think if Gstreamer is already pulled in and also has the codecs
> installation dialog, it is the preferred choice. But then again, I never
> play DVD's, so I'm a bit biased and I don't know exactly what's wrong with
> playing DVD's with Gstreamer.
>
> The biggest objection I have against Totem is that it is labelled "Totem
> Movie Player" while it is actually also the default for music files, so
> it's
> actually a "Media Player", but well...
>
> thanks
> > Jani
> >
> >
>
> --
> Vincent
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:17:13 +0200
> From: Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <fce559$nsq$1 at sea.gmane.org>
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> > Anyway, I think if Gstreamer is already pulled in and also has the
> > codecs installation dialog, it is the preferred choice. But then again,
> > I never play DVD's, so I'm a bit biased and I don't know exactly what's
> > wrong with playing DVD's with Gstreamer.
>
> I think playing works but subtitles and menus do not.
> >
> > The biggest objection I have against Totem is that it is labelled "Totem
> > Movie Player" while it is actually also the default for music files, so
> > it's actually a "Media Player", but well...
> >
>
> Ubuntu has rhythmbox for music, I suppose that's the reason
>
> Jani
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:20:15 +0200
> From: Vincent <imnotb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: "Xubuntu Development Discussion" <xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> <749ebd440709140720r2f99f12dtcf2d6ea1f9db9c46 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> On 14/09/2007, Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway, I think if Gstreamer is already pulled in and also has the
> > > codecs installation dialog, it is the preferred choice. But then
> again,
> > > I never play DVD's, so I'm a bit biased and I don't know exactly
> what's
> > > wrong with playing DVD's with Gstreamer.
> >
> > I think playing works but subtitles and menus do not.
>
>
> That sounds like quite a big problem, but again: someone who plays DVD's
> often should elaborate on that.
>
> >
> > > The biggest objection I have against Totem is that it is labelled
> "Totem
> > > Movie Player" while it is actually also the default for music files,
> so
> > > it's actually a "Media Player", but well...
> > >
> >
> > Ubuntu has rhythmbox for music, I suppose that's the reason
>
>
> Yeah, but I recall when I tried Ubuntu Feisty when you double-clicked an
> MP3-file, Totem would open...
>
> Jani
> >
> >
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>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:42:45 +0200
> From: Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <fce6l5$tfv$1 at sea.gmane.org>
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> Vincent wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 14/09/2007, *Jani Monoses* <jani at ubuntu.com <mailto:jani at ubuntu.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway, I think if Gstreamer is already pulled in and also has
> the
> > > codecs installation dialog, it is the preferred choice. But then
> > again,
> > > I never play DVD's, so I'm a bit biased and I don't know exactly
> > what's
> > > wrong with playing DVD's with Gstreamer.
> >
> > I think playing works but subtitles and menus do not.
> >
> >
> > That sounds like quite a big problem, but again: someone who plays DVD's
> > often should elaborate on that.
>
> I use totem-xine for precisely that reason.
>
> >
> > >
> > > The biggest objection I have against Totem is that it is labelled
> > "Totem
> > > Movie Player" while it is actually also the default for music
> > files, so
> > > it's actually a "Media Player", but well...
> > >
> >
> > Ubuntu has rhythmbox for music, I suppose that's the reason
> >
> >
> > Yeah, but I recall when I tried Ubuntu Feisty when you double-clicked an
> > MP3-file, Totem would open...
>
> quite possible, I remember similar things but assumed my system was
> messed up.
> Jani
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:37:20 +0200
> From: "Giuseppe Torelli" <colossus73 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: "Xubuntu Development Discussion" <xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> <c2ea3aba0709140937y10f4de88x30791086017595f6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 9/14/07, Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > The alternative is usually vlc or mplayer but we cannot include those
>
> Why? I do use vlc and it works perfectly. It playseverything:
> flv,avi,mpg,asf,wav,ogg,mp3 etc etc. and it supports also DVD menus.
> --
> Colossus
> Xarchiver, a Linux GTK+2 only archive manager - http://xarchiver.xfce.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:41:39 +0100
> From: Robert McWilliam <rmcw at allmail.net>
> Subject: Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20070914174139.03f06243 at uxelecas>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:37:20 +0200
> "Giuseppe Torelli" <colossus73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9/14/07, Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > The alternative is usually vlc or mplayer but we cannot include
> > > those
> >
> > Why? I do use vlc and it works perfectly. It playseverything:
> > flv,avi,mpg,asf,wav,ogg,mp3 etc etc. and it supports also DVD menus.
>
> Because it includes support for everything, including formats that are
> patented and require royalties to be paid to distribute software to
> support them in some countries.
>
> ________________________________________________________
> Robert McWilliam rmcw at allmail.net www.ormiret.com
>
> Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:54:41 -0400
> From: Ghostvirus <theghostvirus at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Considering Totem instead Gxine
> To: "Xubuntu Development Discussion" <xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> <fba84300709140954l7f73938fyf850079d7bf35461 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On 9/14/07, Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been thinking lately of switching over to Totem for the following
> > reasons besides the generic ones that were mentioned in the GNOME apps
> > thread.
> >
> > - it is friendlier than gxine
> > - we get another package co-maintained with Ubuntu lessening our bug
> > triage
> > - its dependencies are in already (although that was not a maneuver to
> > get here!)
> > - according to the threads here and the forum poll, gxine seems to be
> > one of the top apps that are being switched out from a default install.
> > The alternative is usually vlc or mplayer but we cannot include those
> > - has a nicer firefox plugin
> >
> > Totem can use either gstreamer or libxine as a backend, here are the
> > pros and cons I know
> >
> > totem-gstreamer
> > - gstreamer is the one used in Ubuntu so the maintenance argument
> > applies
> > - gstreamer has integrated the codec wizard that downloads missing
> > codecs when a certain media being played needs them
> > - pidgin in xubuntu already depends on libgstreamer
> >
> > totem-xine
> > - we keep the same functionality as with gxine only with a nicer GUI
> > - has better DVD support than gstreamer
> >
> >
> > well thought out and constructive comments welcome, regardless of their
> > being for or against this change :)
> >
> > thanks
> > Jani
> >
> >
> > --
> > xubuntu-devel mailing list
> > xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
> >
>
> I'm sorry, but trading one useless app for another useless one sounds
> pointless to me. How many people honestly use Totem for their regular
> video
> watching? I don't know anyone that uses it. Everyone inevitably installs
> VLC
> and/or MPlayer, especially if they're using Xfce. Obviously those can't be
> included by default, but why switch gxine out for Totem? I fail to see how
> Totem is better to use. It's hardly any more user-friendly than gxine.
> "It's
> already in Ubuntu" seems to be the only reasoning behind this...
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Ghostvirus
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